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IAS officers or the babu's taht they are generally called as....are they really working efficiently??? what if we replace them with managers??
* more effective management
*less time consumption
*dare to learn beyond the wall ...i.e finding new ,innovative solutions??
* less interference by politicians..

or should it be left as it is ...
reading the age old policies & history ....to get into taht position?

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Re: should babu's be replaced by managers??? - May 30th, 2006

Mentiona a few points provin IAS Officers or so called babu's are nt working


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Re: should babu's be replaced by managers??? - May 30th, 2006

The main thing is that in bureaucracy, u have to stand many other things too like corruption and hence managerial skills alone can't survive. U need to have the 'skills' to survive in the bureaucracy. Managers work in pvt MNCs, where the work order is organised and is pretty systematic. U can't expect the same thing in bureaucracy and hence, making a horse do a dog's work, will actually not work.

u have to remember that the influence of the politicians would never be limited and would always be there to affect these working managers. Hence, i feel that managers are fit to work only in MNCs whereas IAS are bureaucratic managers.


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ok gaurav , i agree with you to some extent only!!!
wat am trying to say is
in becoming a bureaucrate, all u have to do is to learn the histry, previous policies, & other things which might be gud to know BUT the fact is taht now india's political , economical,ecological conditions have changed a lot!!! so applying those theories will be futile...instead if you replace them with manager( i dn't say that a plain mba but with combo of knowledge abt the laws & with a managerial outlook)..they will be able to think out more innovative ways to a situation!!
see politician will definetely have an effect on them also...but thats where their diplomatic skills will be utilized which will be beneficial fr the state & will seem valuable to neta also!!!

@vishal:see vishal its hard fr me to tell that any such instance as these people always work at secondary levels but as things are nt improving at rate with which they shud( we still have communal violence & naxal violence in many states), hence this question has been raised....
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Re: should babu's be replaced by managers??? - May 31st, 2006

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ok gaurav , i agree with you to some extent only!!!
wat am trying to say is
in becoming a bureaucrate, all u have to do is to learn the histry, previous policies, & other things which might be gud to know BUT the fact is taht now india's political , economical,ecological conditions have changed a lot!!! so applying those theories will be futile...instead if you replace them with manager( i dn't say that a plain mba but with combo of knowledge abt the laws & with a managerial outlook)..they will be able to think out more innovative ways to a situation!!
The same policies can't be applied here and we, definitely need a refinement. But think of it this way, a manager is still a manager. He cant stand on bureaucratic terms unless he has been trained for it. Talk of the IAS... i feel they're as good as a political manager.
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see politician will definetely have an effect on them also...but thats where their diplomatic skills will be utilized which will be beneficial fr the state & will seem valuable to neta also!!!
Diplomatic skills....? Well they ork when u talk outside the system... not within the system. Politicians are always the boss of the IAS and what sort of dimpolmacy will ork here? The IAS guy knows his job is actually in the hands of the politician.

But before i get totally wacked off to u, lemme say, that what we need instead is to change the IAS professionals in the way they're trained. Just like our old policies are to be refined or rather re-defined, so is the training of the IAS guys. Managerial training should be inculcated to them , so that they can function as better managers. Infact, it is being implemented too.

However, all this depends on the domain and the level of freedom they get. U can't expect the guy to be skilful and working in a dingy environment, can u?


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No doubt people here in MP are totally mesmerized by word management and MBA.Probabaly that y people here r advocating replacing IAS officers with MBA graduate.what i think is management is imp everywhere...IAS has lots think to contemplate even a household lady needs management.It's nice to have some management gyan for everyone.Let me tell u...last year more than 2 IAS and IPS officers enrolled for executive MBA from IIFT..howz that?
Crux is is imp to have management idea for everyone..including IAS (babu's wat u called)but replacement of officers with MBA's.....doesn't sound lucerative.


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narayana murthy himself said that the indian administrative service( IAS)should be replaced by the indian management service as there is need for special focus on new skills & a decision making capability!

it was said in context of relevance of new technologies in governance & adminstration & the challenge of getting people who can cope with mutiple demands & get things done!!
today, the emphasis has changed from control regulation & administration difficult anough in itself to development, promotion & communication.these new roles reflect customer-orientation in an atmosphere of competition.

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er.... i studies for IAS ... believe me CAT is way easier then IAS....


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er.... i studies for IAS ... believe me CAT is way easier then IAS....
When did this happen? CAT easier than IAS?


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CAT IS [ WAY WAY WAY ] with a power of zillion squared times ... easier than IAS


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