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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

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Hi All,

Can any help me on theories of distribution and sampling in stat. I am unable to get the concept.

Thanks in advance.
Posting a contextual reply to your question:

What is the Binomial Distribution?

A binomial distribution arises any time an event with exactly two
outcomes is repeated a bunch of times.

The simplest example is the case where the two outcomes are
equally likely -- flipping a coin, for example.

For the class, what I'd do is pick a fixed number of flips, say 10.
And rather than flip one coin ten times, it's easier if they flip 10
coins once and count the number of times "heads" appears.

Have everybody in the class do this 10 times (or more) and
record the number of "heads" for each attempt. There are
11 possible outcomes, from 0 heads to 10 heads. Obviously, it'll
be unlikely to get any zeros or tens, but just collect the data
and draw it as a bar chart and notice that the most likely
outcome seems to be 5, and that it does seem to form a
bell-like distribution.

With more and more repeats of the experiement, you'll find
that the proportions of times each outcome occurs matches
better and better the theoretical results (which you can obtain
from the tenth row of Pascal's triangle, where I count the
top row as row zero).

In other words, if you add the eleven numbers in that tenth
row, they will add to 2^10 = 1024, and so as the number
of experiments (where an experiment consists of flipping
a coin ten times) with results 0 through 10 heads should
occur with the following likelihoods:

1 10 45 120 210 252 210 120 45 10 1
----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----, ----
1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024 1024

In other words, about 1/4 (252/1024, to be precise) of the
times that you do the experiment, there will be exactly 5
heads. Only 1 time in about a thousand will all ten be
heads, and so on.

You can compare these theoretical results with those
generated by your experiments.

That may be good for the whole lesson, but a binomial
distribution does not require that the likelihoods of the
results be the same. For example, suppose your
experiment is to roll a die with six sides, and you
consider that you "win" if you obtain a 5 or a 6, and
that you "lose" if you obtain 1, 2, 3 or 4.

If you run that experiment ten times (ten rolls of a die or
1 roll of ten dice), there are again eleven possible outcomes:
zero through ten wins. But it stands to reason (since you
usually lose) that it will be FAR more likely to get ten
losses than ten wins.

With some dice and time, you can do the same thing here
as you did with the coins. You'll see that you also get a
bell-shaped curve, but it'll be lopsided, with the bump
nearer zero than 10. In fact, since you win 1/3 of the
time, the bump will be near the 1/3 point -- near 3 wins
in 10.

The expected results can be calculated, but it's quite a
bit messier to do so. You can use the same fraction
numerators that we worked out with Pascal's triangle
(1, 10, 45, 120, 210, 252, 210, 120, 45, 10, and 1), but they
need to be multiplied by (1/3)^W(2/3)^L to get the
probability of W wins and L losses, where W+L = 10.

For example, the probability of zero wins is:

1 x (1/3)^0 x (2/3)^10 = .01734...

The probability of ten wins is:

1 x (1/3)^10 x (2/3)^0 = .000016935...

The probability of exactly 3 wins (most likely result) is:

120 x (1/3)^3 x (2/3)^7 = .26012...

I'll bet this is beyond a sixth grade class, however.

You might look at it not with 10 rolls, but rather with 2.
Then there's a hope of seeing what's going on by drawing
a tree for the possible outcomes: start at a root and go
left (win) with 1/3 probability, and go right (lose) with 2/3
probability. From those nodes repeat for the probabilites
after two events. You can then sum up the probabilities
to obtain:

1/3 x 1/3 = 1/9 chance of two wins

1/3 x 2/3 + 2/3 x 1/3 = 4/9 chance of one win
(could be first or second)

2/3 x 2/3 = 4/9 chance of zero wins

Maybe you could extend this to three experiments and
notice that there is:

1 way to get 3 losses
3 ways to get 2 losses and 1 win
3 ways to get 1 loss and 2 wins
1 way to get 3 wins.

Point out that this looks like Pascal's triangle's third row and
that the only difference is that as there are more and
more wins, the likelihood gets smaller and smaller.

Look in any introductory book on statistics for more material,
but I'm pretty sure it will be beyond what you can use in a
sixth grade class.

Good luck!


Also, visit a website called mathforum dot org. and search for the distribution topic - you'll get ample explanations.

Cheers,
P
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

both r compulsary for getting complete knowldge. so firstly go through classroom for knowing theory ad after that go to practical for implement that.
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

i feel a balance of both is required...classroom gives us the conceptual idea and the practical training gives us a glimpse of the corporate world....
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

For classroom teaching the curriculum should be designed in such a way that every part of it is practically viable and all abstract and unwanted theoritical data should be eliminated from it.The curriculum should be such that it captures the attention of the listeners.There should be total scope for the practical application of the classroom learning.
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

Having practical experience before one goes through the class romm teahing helps the person to relate to what is being taught.
It gives him more contextual clarity and will be more benefitting.
This is precisely the reason why lot of premiere b schools give weightage to work experience.
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

practical as our teacher teach us out of Text books written from practical experience.
   
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practical knowledge should b dere as it acquaint us to real world
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 27th, 2009

It has to be a blend of both theory and practical exp. Surely theory is hardly of any use w/o experiencing its application in world but w/o having proper understanding of theoretical concepts its diff 2 gain practical exp. with sound conceptual knwg it becomes easier 2 relate to the topic.
   
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class room tyeaching is incomplete without practical training
   
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Re: Practical or class room education ????? - July 28th, 2009

I think its very much important 4us to have a practical knowledge abt wateva v are learning or else we onli keep mugging up theory in classrroom....
   
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