Abortion

hemant.k008

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its an debatable question among the women especially. well abortion should b within certain period should b allowed. but not later than that cause after all we r killing a life that has not even seen the world. in my opinion girl should have right to some extent. prents should not b involved in these matters.
 

melroy88

New member
No1 has the right for taking away a life even tho she has to bear pain for 9 months...Well she has the right to create life....abortion should not be allowed...Parents should not be dragged into it....The child should be given for adoption bt not aborted....if the parents or the mother dosent want the child...
 

roshcrazy

MP Guru
No1 has the right for taking away a life even tho she has to bear pain for 9 months...Well she has the right to create life....abortion should not be allowed...Parents should not be dragged into it....The child should be given for adoption bt not aborted....if the parents or the mother dosent want the child...

i disagree wid wht u say...if the parent decides to get the child aborted, its totally her decision..coz it might happen tht there might be conditions tht they really cant take care of the child..and if any1 abt to ask..they shd hv thought of it b4..then i wud say sumtimes MISTAKES happen..abortion is nt wrong depending on the conditions..and u spoke abt adoption..whts the guarantee tht sum1 would adopt the child..and in case sum1 does wud take proper care..??there are many adoption centres but nowadays, nt many people are adopting children and wht more is observed is if people go for adoption they would adopt young children,so with such conditions,i don thnk adoption is favourable.
 

anu shukla

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
hey there!!
hope evryone is fine... i wanna have sm saying,here it is,....
the topic is nt as easy as it seems to be..govt has been trying to find a soln fr it fr many years.
sm facts:
MTP(medical termination of pregnancy)is allowed till a certain period only under some strict rules. due to increase in illegal abortion of girl child, PNDT act 1994 stated pre- determination of sex as illegal.

nw lets analyse the options one by one...
Should abortion be Allowed on Demand : if we make it on demand then blv me the sex ratio will be 1000:--(god only knows)it will certainly be wrse than today..everyone will have an easy option to get away!!its our myth taht literate will nt go fr it... FR ex.. sm places in jhansi which are of well established families go fr abortions on regular basis( have done this study myself!!)there the number of abortions u have gone thru reflects ur status( same commented by a gynae doc in that area!!)
if we ban abortion altogether may tbe those chidren will take birth but certainly will nt be able to live a respectful life( as smbody already explained!!)also its easy said taht done taht these children will be taken care well by society.. jus wanna ask how many orphans have been looked after well????personally how many do u/ur family have taken care of?same applies to me also!!!
so,problem b'fore govt... dec sex ratio( if yes to abortion!)...dec level of living standard( if no to abortion).

so there can't be one law fr everyone..but the problem is who will choose which law... in all no body can ensure that everyone will abide by the law.law evaders will soon get alternate way to escape!!
its only our conscience that can change the situation... if u feel that u r a human ..u should act like one... if u cannot afford a child ..there are many ways to protect urself frm it.y in all we choose only the solution of 1st having the foetus & then aborting it?
 

melroy88

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i disagree wid wht u say...if the parent decides to get the child aborted, its totally her decision..coz it might happen tht there might be conditions tht they really cant take care of the child..and if any1 abt to ask..they shd hv thought of it b4..then i wud say sumtimes MISTAKES happen..abortion is nt wrong depending on the conditions..and u spoke abt adoption..whts the guarantee tht sum1 would adopt the child..and in case sum1 does wud take proper care..??there are many adoption centres but nowadays, nt many people are adopting children and wht more is observed is if people go for adoption they would adopt young children,so with such conditions,i don thnk adoption is favourable

Mistakes ado happen...bt mistakes like these are not like the 1s we do in QMB....The result is a child being born...We have no right to take away a life...no matter what...Ive seen parents struggling and begging and giving their life to give their children the basic needs...If a mistake is done..they should work hard for it or take the shortcut and thats adoption..Ive done an entire project on adoption and i have visited several adoption centers...They gave a certain base to the child...at the end of it the child can become something in life...no matter what...Recently a father microwaved his kid ....Thats inhuman..and even abortion is....Shutting the eyes before it opens...nahahhh girl that aint right...
 

gaurav200x

Gaurav Mittal
Should abortion be Allowed on Demand : if we make it on demand then blv me the sex ratio will be 1000:--(god only knows)it will certainly be wrse than today..everyone will have an easy option to get away!!its our myth taht literate will nt go fr it... FR ex.. sm places in jhansi which are of well established families go fr abortions on regular basis( have done this study myself!!)there the number of abortions u have gone thru reflects ur status( same commented by a gynae doc in that area!!)
if we ban abortion altogether may tbe those chidren will take birth but certainly will nt be able to live a respectful life( as smbody already explained!!)also its easy said taht done taht these children will be taken care well by society.. jus wanna ask how many orphans have been looked after well????personally how many do u/ur family have taken care of?same applies to me also!!!
so,problem b'fore govt... dec sex ratio( if yes to abortion!)...dec level of living standard( if no to abortion).

so there can't be one law fr everyone..but the problem is who will choose which law... in all no body can ensure that everyone will abide by the law.law evaders will soon get alternate way to escape!!
its only our conscience that can change the situation... if u feel that u r a human ..u should act like one... if u cannot afford a child ..there are many ways to protect urself frm it.y in all we choose only the solution of 1st having the foetus & then aborting it?

Your're right.... But, can u suggest some practical solutions to tackle with this problem.
 

ROZA

New member
i disagree wid wht u say...if the parent decides to get the child aborted, its totally her decision..coz it might happen tht there might be conditions tht they really cant take care of the child..and if any1 abt to ask..they shd hv thought of it b4..then i wud say sumtimes MISTAKES happen..abortion is nt wrong depending on the conditions..and u spoke abt adoption..whts the guarantee tht sum1 would adopt the child..and in case sum1 does wud take proper care..??there are many adoption centres but nowadays, nt many people are adopting children and wht more is observed is if people go for adoption they would adopt young children,so with such conditions,i don thnk adoption is favourable.

I m sorry...........but i do not agree to u....
Abortion....is NOT parents Right at all......
abortion is KILLING.....
and no one except God has right to...take aWAY LIFE !!!!!!!

Rosh u said abotion is totally...parents decision....No they dont have right to TAke this Decision......baby is noT bought and sold.....Killed or givin Birth.....
if parent later realise that they cannt take care of the child..
and they r in bad condition....
then they shuld have thought of this before having Sex !!!:SugarwareZ-064:
 

anu shukla

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
@ gaurav: hey its hard to find a full proof method as i tld b'fore...
but a district health administrator from tamilnadu tld his experience in one such conference that he himself keeps a list of all the ladies who are reported to be pregnant( by ANMs- u can call them area supervisor)then closely monitor their movements thru field wrkers...they are counseled & taken care well...also fr those who want an abortion, are asked to give birth & keep their babies in district hospital crutch(thats his personal idea..)according to him the pre-counselling and check up has drastically reduced the number of abortions( that is true!!!)BUT THIS FORMULA CAN'T BE REPLICATED IN OTHER STATES AS WE DN'T HAVE SUCH DEDICATED HEALTH WRKERS EVERYWHERE!!!
another idea is to change people mentality ...after the famous sterlization operation by sanjay gandhi...everybody has got traumatized & people are demiotivated to take FP measures.they think that its govt responsibilty to take care of growing population.
IN CONTRAST THEY ALL HAVE GOOD % OF AWARENESS OF ALL METHODS
( so NO need to aware them)...
so,things to do:
govt motivate people to go fr FP methods by persuading them ...it shud be client sensitive nt target based..
people shud feel their responsibity towards growing population.only then there will be rise in number of contraceptive usage.
contraceptive use should be normalize...i mean people should nt start staring a person asking fr them at chemist shop... y can't we be normal ...its gud taht person is taking responsibility..and is taking measures...we shud encourage it...
these things are already in implementation by various organization..all we need to do is to suport them... talk abt it in open ( of course with seriousness)
only when we start talking in open , then other solutions will emerge!!!!
take care
anu
 

ankitjain

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
too debatable..
i think it shud b done on a case by case basis..
like sometimes when the girl is too small then it will affect her health and all.. and if the girl is not married then also it migh not be acepted by the society.

but then yet again.,. you are killing a soul which is not born.. which is not fair..
watever... too debatable..

gimme more opinion on this one..
lets see how girls speak!!
 

DRISHYA

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
abortion should not be allowed in a normal situation. In india, people still crave for male child n thus allowing abortion would add to this tragedy. It should be allowed only if in case the pregnency causes severe problems to the women.
 

deepakraam

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
Hi,
My suggestion would be to have a separate ACB (Abortion Control Board) for each panchayat/district to take care of abortion cases.

The board must take each and every abortion case and analyse the reason for the abortion case.If there is no other way out,they can give the consent for abortion.Only on the consent of the board,a doctor can perform an abortion.Erring doctors should be punished.

The board mustn't take time for giving decision on each and every case.

This would also make our country to know the reason for abortion of cases and also the district where such cases are predominant.


-Deepak.
 

gaurav200x

Gaurav Mittal
Very nice analysis Anu,
but think of something.... It is a two edged sword, isnt it?

If u legalise abortion, u jeopardize the country's sex ratio and if u ban it, u endanger the risk of population explosion.

I want to know the views of the members on how effective it would be to have a monitory body, like u and deepak said? Considering the fact that it is not difficult to get the figures manipulated for few bucks, how effective can be this client-sensitive thing.

The point is, is there a fool proof system... I think NOT !!

People here still crave for sons. Sanjay Gandhi tried to make sterilization compulsory, but do u think it would be practical...

Somehow i think that "preaching" is the only thing we can do here.... but doesn't that have a problem? People like Baba Ramdev and the muslim clergy vote for against abortion. They will have a lot of effect on people's minds, simply because they control the power to people's mind influencing them through religion, which actually holds the key to the mind of more than 60-70% junta of India...

So considering all these aspects, what will u say we can do? Will such people try to understand scientific facts?

I think now the discussion should head to what we can do if we wish to control abortions.... considering that legalising abortions may not be a viable option and certainly not banning.

Kindly check out the following ppt. This is what general masses will be shown when people like Baba Ramdev talk...... Who wouldn't have an effect and who would vote for abortion after this... I know this is a sensitive issue, but we need to broaden our minds and think past emotions.


@ gaurav: hey its hard to find a full proof method as i tld b'fore...
but a district health administrator from tamilnadu tld his experience in one such conference that he himself keeps a list of all the ladies who are reported to be pregnant( by ANMs- u can call them area supervisor)then closely monitor their movements thru field wrkers...they are counseled & taken care well...also fr those who want an abortion, are asked to give birth & keep their babies in district hospital crutch(thats his personal idea..)according to him the pre-counselling and check up has drastically reduced the number of abortions( that is true!!!)BUT THIS FORMULA CAN'T BE REPLICATED IN OTHER STATES AS WE DN'T HAVE SUCH DEDICATED HEALTH WRKERS EVERYWHERE!!!
another idea is to change people mentality ...after the famous sterlization operation by sanjay gandhi...everybody has got traumatized & people are demiotivated to take FP measures.they think that its govt responsibilty to take care of growing population.
IN CONTRAST THEY ALL HAVE GOOD % OF AWARENESS OF ALL METHODS
( so NO need to aware them)...
so,things to do:
govt motivate people to go fr FP methods by persuading them ...it shud be client sensitive nt target based..
people shud feel their responsibity towards growing population.only then there will be rise in number of contraceptive usage.
contraceptive use should be normalize...i mean people should nt start staring a person asking fr them at chemist shop... y can't we be normal ...its gud taht person is taking responsibility..and is taking measures...we shud encourage it...
these things are already in implementation by various organization..all we need to do is to suport them... talk abt it in open ( of course with seriousness)
only when we start talking in open , then other solutions will emerge!!!!
take care
anu
 
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roshcrazy

MP Guru
AN ARTICLE ON "CRIME OF ABORTION"

THERE may be some excuse at times for abortion. But in nine cases out of ten such excuses are imaginary, and the destructive influence of such interference with the plan of the Almighty is often terrible in character. We have no right to tamper with God's laws. Within the recesses of the prospective mother's womb there are physiological processes taking place that can only be interfered with at a terrible cost.

To be sure, there are a few women who possess a tremendous amount of vitality and vigor. They are literally as strong as young oxen, and seem to be able to go through an abortion with apparent impunity. But such women are rare exceptions. Abortion will usually leave a woman weak and ailing for months and many times for life. It shocks the whole nervous system in such a manner as to interfere with the harmonious processes of the entire organism. The food will not digest so well after such an experience. The blood has not the life-giving elements that it previously possessed Strange, unpleasant and at times fearful pains dart through the pelvic regions after an operation of this sort. One operation will sometimes bring physiological defects from which a woman never completely recovers. And when we realize how frequently this crime—made possible only by the prudery, ignorance and superstitions of this so-called enlightened, modern age—is committed, by the married as well as by the single, we truly have cause for being appalled.

Though it may be entirely in accordance with the conventional moral law to stigmatize the illegitimate child and to stamp the mother with never-ending disgrace, abortion is nevertheless considered a far greater crime. But abortion may be secretly brought about. No one knows the terrible secret except the victim and the doctor unless death intervenes. And so-called disgrace is thus avoided, though perhaps at the cost of life-long misery and weakness.

When a woman once becomes pregnant, the duties and responsibilities naturally associated with her condition should be assumed, regardless of whether or not she is protected by the marriage tie. The disgrace that is everywhere associated with bringing a child into the world out side of wedlock should not induce a woman to commit the appalling crime of abortion.

We must recognize, however, that the practice of inducing abortion is far from being confined to the unmarried. Many women who are placed in such a position that children might easily be welcomed, refuse to assume the obligation because of social or other insufficient reasons. They have accepted marriage, but they refuse to have children. It is probably well that they do not have them. It is questionable if the child of a woman whose character is such as this would be an honor to his parents, or of value to the world. But the number of women who are desirous of ridding themselves of the natural result of the marital relation is truly amazing. Moreover, some unnatural husbands insist on the death of their own unborn children.

Whether or not the prospective mother fancies that she has reasons for bringing on abortion, we should remember that she is not the only person concerned. Aside from the rights of the unborn child, which must be held sacred in all cases, the husband and father has a definite interest in the matter, and it remains for him to take a positive stand against any such criminal procedure. If the husband has sufficient manhood and force of character, he will not consent to or connive at an operation of this type. If all men would take this stand, there is no question but that the extent of the evil would be greatly lessened.

If one does not desire children, if the heart and soul protest against the responsibilities they bring, then it is best to avoid the intimacies that lead to a family. Most women will say that this is impossible, and in nearly all cases their argument is well weighted with truth. If you are married to a conventional man, you will find him thoroughly imbued with the idea of his legal rights in marriage, and he exacts them usually with unfailing regularity. What then is a woman to do who hates children, who literally abhors the thought of bringing a new life into the world? "Why, do you think I would have one of those brats running around me?" is a remark I heard on one occasion from a woman who had acquired an abnormal attitude toward children. And I might well ask: Would it be desirable for such a woman to have a child? I might go further, and ask if it is not really a crime against the child itself to have it brought into the world by such a woman? Women of this sort should not marry.

But aside from such instances, the question of birth control, or the prevention of conception, assumes great importance in many other cases. Is it not better in nearly all cases that the bringing of children into the world should be intelligently managed? Is the possibility of conception something to be ignored and left to chance? Or should it be under control, a matter to be planned for so that it may take place only under the most favorable conditions, and only the most satisfactory children be born? Even in a family where children are desired and welcome, it will often be found that there are times when the vitality of one or both of the prospective parents is lowered, and under such circumstances it is certainly desirable to be able to avoid parenthood until the physical condition of both is made as perfect as possible. Children should come at a time when the parents can best do justice to them. If the husband, to take another instance, is addicted to alcohol, is it not of the utmost importance that conception should be avoided until he has been able to break the habit and his blood has been free from the influence of this poison for a considerable time? Various other requirements may make it desirable in different cases to limit or control the bearing of children. Sometimes where both parents desire and love children, it may still be desirable to limit the size of the family, or to insure against too short intervals between births. If a mother does not have a sufficient period for recuperation between the coming of her children this natural function may involve a serious drain upon her vitality and bodily re-sources whereby the vitality of the later children is reduced. And when the earnings of the father are small it will usually be better to so limit the size of the family that it may be comfortably provided for and well brought up, than to compel the mother to bear children repeatedly to the limit of her physical capacity, and to bring them up in poverty.

All of these considerations are practical. They are intimately related to the lives of thousands of men and women. Furthermore, birth control would, in a vast number of cases, mean the prevention of the hideous crime of abortion. There are some people who do not seem able to distinguish between abortion and the prevention of conception, but the two measures are as different as possible. The first means murder—the destruction of a new life. The second means simply not calling a new soul into existence. After conception has once taken place the new life has begun, and is it not criminal to destroy it?

In European countries various means for pre-venting conception are openly sold in drug-stores and freely advertised in publications. They have apparently never seriously lessened the birth-rate, except perhaps in France, as it is far greater per capita in some European countries than it is in the United States among native-born Americans. Here, however, it is a crime, punishable in the most serious manner, for one in any way to furnish information or means that will enable a woman to prevent conception. As a result there are thousands of women who are compelled to bring into the world unwelcome children.

It must be admitted that in nearly every in-stance the child that at first seems unwelcome is finally able to entwine itself in the heart-strings of the mother and is cared for in a fitting manner so far as circumstances will permit. But there are other instances in which the child remains unwelcome throughout the entire pregnancy period, and is still more unwelcome when it appears. It has no home to come to. It really has no father and no mother, in the best sense. It is simply an unwelcome "brat" that interferes with the pleasure and the general routine of the life of mother and father. Such a child is cursed before birth. Unquestionably from these child products of human bestiality come the most of our criminals and our defectives, mental, moral and physical. If a woman does not want to have a child, it is a crime to force one upon her. It is a crime against the mother, and a still greater crime against the child.

Naturally, I would advocate a continent life as the best means of avoiding conception, but I must at the same time admit that such a life, if continued by a couple in possession of normal health for a prolonged period would be either detrimental or disastrous to the physical and moral welfare of each. Under the circumstances it can easily be understood that it will be impossible for me to mention any means of preventing conception other than the continent life. And it might be well to point out definitely that there is no method of preventing conception that is absolutely sure every time, and that nearly all methods are, to a certain extent, harmful in their influence.

There is a great difference in this respect, however, and it is vitally important to avoid those measures which are extremely injurious. The sweeping statement is frequently made that all methods are harmful, though it is doubtful if this is strictly true. In some cases the harm accomplished, if any, is very slight, but it must be said that some of the methods most used are extremely injurious.

In this connection we may say emphatically that any departure from the strictly. natural character of the sex relation is almost certain to react injuriously upon both parties. Once the marital act has been commenced it should be carried through to a natural completion, or it will prove harmful. It might even be said that when once the passions of both have been aroused to the point at which the marital relation is physiologically demanded, then it should be carried through if the question of the health of both parties is to be considered. Not to do this means not only more or less nervous derangement, but serious congestion of the parts involved, producing weakness or inflammation. I have referred to this matter in Chapter VI on "Love-Making and Its Dangers." But the physiological results are naturally far more serious if the relation has actually been commenced and is then interrupted be-fore it has been completed. The method practiced by a certain group of idealists, is to be condemned as equally unnatural and undesirable as a means of avoiding conception. No one can afford to take any chances of ruining the health by these abnormal practices. It were better by far to live a strictly natural life.

It should be said also that mechanical means or appliances for preventing conception are generally very unsatisfactory and unreliable. They are likely to be misplaced and to fail completely in their purpose, but further than this they tend to cause serious irritation of the female organs, inducing inflammatory and other disorders.

There is at the present time a very extensive agitation for the repeal of legislation which makes it a crime for the physician, or any one else, to supply information upon this important subject. It is claimed that such knowledge is necessary in the cause of eugenics, in order to limit the birth-rate of those who are constitution-ally defective or tainted. It is claimed that with proper knowledge upon the subject conception could be prevented without resort to the more harmful and disastrous measures which many people are now compelled, through ignorance, to use.
SOURCE: http://www.oldandsold.com/articles08/marriage-15.shtml
 

vkls230776

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The abortion should not be allowed in a normal situation. In india, people still crave for male child n thus allowing abortion would add to this tragedy. It should be allowed only if in case the pregnency causes severe problems to the women. It should not be allowed after 20 weeks of pregancy. The choice of abortion should be left with the women on the advice of specialist.
 

vikrantverma

Par 100 posts (V.I.P)
se the ppt..

wont scribble anything over here, just go thru the ppt for once, and u will be clear on my stance...
 

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