Is the quota system for higher studies justified?

[karma]

:) Just give your views about it... do you think the quota system in top management institutes and for higher studies justified.. This is an excerpt that i received through email.. and this totally satisfies what i want to say.. give your views about it...
:argue:
start..

There is lot of fuss about MBA now-a-days and every aira-gaira wants
to be an MBA becoz, FAT PAY CHECK, LUXURIOUS LIFE, SMART WIFE etc
well that was abt student doing it but i think now-a-days colleges
have also come down to such a low level that they do bot recognise
whom they are taking and on what basis. in the name of reservation
sc/st handicap etc the courses have been totally degraded. u believe
it or not its true. 15 % sc , 15 % st, kashmiri migrants,
international students, OBC so now what left for an open category
eligible candidate. NO ADMISSION TRY OUT NEXT YEAR. our education
system has been totally ruined. here are some statistics.

SIBM this year cutoffs.

Category MBA Marcom
Open 97.25 63.75
SC 54.50 21.25
ST 38 21.5
Physically Handicapped 65.75 50.5
Company sponsored 97.25 66.75
Kashmiri Migrant 70.50 54.25


now this is really disgusting just analyse. i say give every person
equal chance to compete. with these reservations many of them are
loosing crucial time of their life isn't it? by having reservation
quota what u r going to prove? that u have perfect candidates for
course? no. i got 49 in snap and if i was in any of the above quota i
could easily get in to it and after two years working at an reputed
post isn't it? India is a democratic country and every indian should
be given equal chance not on the basis of merit but many of the
candidate have in born leadership skills which the institute is
loosing with this quota. let there be equal competence between all
without being partial to any one . let them have equal stance to
stand on. TOI dated 14th jan too mentioned that a merit holder loosed
chance of geting admission because of these quota system. now this
is what admission procedure would be than my vision is that in few
yaers we will loose all cream coz candidates possessing qualities
will be diverted to different fields, money power will rule and
candidates like ME & U will certainly say better luck next time....

end


I seriously feel why these people need quota for.. if they are eligible they should get the seat.... i only suppot the quota for the armed forces thats all....

Your views

[kartik]

I hate to say it, but i second karmas views .

Many institutes are gradually abolishing the quota system. The in house quota is already abolished in Nm bcom.

Although there is a flip side of it. We all know that there is someone better than us in some corner of the country.

Now, abolish all these quota of same state and linguistic minority .. etc ..

Are we mumbaiyans ready to leave mumbai and go some place else because the state quotas have been abolished ??

The university is on its march on improving . Also in decades to come.. I see a lot of multinationals comming in India in the educational sector. I feel, the student will be then considered as a customer and there will be no entrance exams , no quotas, if you have the fees to pay.. we educate you in whichever subject you wish to.

Interesting thread by the way @ karma.

[karma]

So you say kartik.. its ok tht some1 with low iq and stupid thinking goes to IIM... and the person who was just a point low did not get a chance !!!!
I am not saying anything about a particular institution NM.. i am talking in general.. whichever university it is.... ok location wise quota is fine because that institute was made to fulfill the education needs of that area.. but what about National institutes...but to discrimnate on caste and creed.. we preach all indians are equal in status and are a secular country... then why these quotas... particular institutes are fine like NM which was started by a gujarati family so as to benefit their own caste... there is a language quota over there.. but why do these type of institutes have SC, ST type quotas... Say Y???????????????

[kartik]

First of all, a person who makes into the IIM cannot have a low IQ or stupid thinking.

FYI.... the GD and PI are taken because IIMs or for that matter any reputed institute wouldnt want a average or below average student to enter their institute ...

As for Quota system :

Freedom figher quota : Our friends parents and grandparents did something great for the country. So they deserve a better status in the country and should get some benifits for the same. Because your and my parents did nt participate in freedom fight of india that aggressively.. we cannot enjoy that.

Special women quota : I dont understand why they cry for being the fairer sex. but well Baah..

SC/ ST : Under priviledged people. We have done much harm to them in the early years when we practices caste discrimination etc/. So these quotas is our way of sayin, we are sorry and give them opportunity to be at par with us.

Handicapped: We have humiliated and made fun of them all the way in school. Now , they will have the last laugh by using those special Quotas.

I feel, students should get admission in whichever govt institute they want.
The seats should be increased.
As for private... let them do it their way .

[karma]

See,, IIM do ask, u fall into which quota.... and give considerations accordingly.. secondly... sc/st i thnk a lot of time has passed after the harm doing....... poltics quota is fine.. because of representation of their corresponding tribe n all but education wise in national colleges... local is fine..... women quota.. well (i am getting ready for the wrath) they say we are equal and can do what men do.. and the always argue abt giving fair chance and giving equal status... then y quotas... seat reservations.. bus seats n all.......

i always respected the armed forces so nothing against them.. i support them... and no offence for handicapped.... they do need proper motivation... but why do people try to take undue advantage of what they have received.. no offence to every1 just few of them.. no arguements on this thread regarding this..

neways national institutes which conduct entrance tests nationally should give equal chances to every 1.... but some institutes have more than fair quota for these categories.. due to which deserving students lose out...

[bhavin_3]

Well m kinda onto 2 thinking u could say.. I would like to say to remove the overall quota system prevailing in higher education majorly in master's level coz if u see these is the time when students shape up they entire life.. But at the same time i don't deny quota to the armed forces and the handicapped.. Coz both of them have a priority level in they own concern. If today i miss out coz of some one who got it through sc/st than i would surely like to raise my voice as they have the same capabilities may be not the equal platform but they get the chance to give the same entrance exam where they can prove themselves.. :panda: So why give them the upper hand???

[ViJiT]

the quaota system in our education system is not justified.students getting good marks are not getting admissions in better colleges whereas students who have a quota get admissions even aftwer scoring very less marks.what i feeel is that instead of having quota systems, we should have admissions reserved for students belonging to an economically backward family which can be found out seeing their IT returns.this will help in uplifting the poor and raising the standards of living overall.do u think this is feasible?

[karma]

Arey u want low IT erturn i will get you made.. but promise me admission in IIM then lol... its not about IT returns..... its about Fair Practice.... Equal Status.. equal grounds..... thx bhavin ...;) sum people dont get the point.... :p

[bhavin_3]

I.T returns no option down there.. I would just ask one of my family members to pay I.T who doesnt have a consistent income just put in minimal alternative or i would pay up I.T at minimal nd hoolah m in @ IIM.. Nah ways that way we tellin finance minister that all b-schools grads have major black income coz they cant show it white to get in B-schools..:pound:

[karma]

Other email i received "views"
This system not gonna change soon. SC/ST/VT/OBC/BBC/MC/BC f****s are vote banks. they never study hard and lay back on such quotas. first of all we need to change the system where politicians get to decide policies and a state academic committee should decide policies instead...oh wait! then there'll be a maharashtrian quota.....be satisfied with the fact that in the workplace they'r gonna be the first to get fired coz they have no idea what they're doing...

Vivek R.


I consider this view also quite offensive but true


Go bhavin nice comment up there

[karma]

Another proper view.... good news i suppose

Ninad Waghule

I can feel ur disghust at the reservations for the SC/ST/OBC etc. but they had not been implemented for causing discomfort to people. Actually, they were meant for the development of the backward classes in India.

But recently, the people in the open category complained about even the rich among the backward classes getting an unfair advantage in things like admissions to colleges etc. Taking that into consideration the Govt. has introduced a condition of Creamy Layer n Non Creamy Layer certificates. All people whose income is under the Rs.2 Lakhs per year fall in the Creamy Layer n those whose income is above Rs. 2 lakhs fall in the non creamy layer.

People in the non creamy layer dont enjoy the benefits of reservation and r given admission in the open category.

This was introduced recently and already many colleges have implemented it (not all). Well it shud be completely implemented by this year or the next.

This is a step in the right direction.

[bhavin_3]

Another proper view.... good news i suppose

Ninad Waghule

I can feel ur disghust at the reservations for the SC/ST/OBC etc. but they had not been implemented for causing discomfort to people. Actually, they were meant for the development of the backward classes in India.

But recently, the people in the open category complained about even the rich among the backward classes getting an unfair advantage in things like admissions to colleges etc. Taking that into consideration the Govt. has introduced a condition of Creamy Layer n Non Creamy Layer certificates. All people whose income is under the Rs.2 Lakhs per year fall in the Creamy Layer n those whose income is above Rs. 2 lakhs fall in the non creamy layer.

People in the non creamy layer dont enjoy the benefits of reservation and r given admission in the open category.

This was introduced recently and already many colleges have implemented it (not all). Well it shud be completely implemented by this year or the next.

This is a step in the right direction.

Ya i suppose these is a step in the right direction but not totally so? Why do i say this well read ahead to get to know. I would like to quote a line from above "they were meant for the development of the backward classes in India". The government has to think on education of the masses and thus can not ignore the backward classes coz for an overall rapid growing country the masses have to be contributing. But when i see on an overview i still feel its unjustice to others who have actually worked for that seat. As i had previously put in the post that they have the same platform and capabilities than let them come across in merit and if its for development than ya make concessions on fee structure so that they dont get a monetary burden while studying but givin them quota seats is not fair to all..!! :violin:

P.s : I see 11 votes in these thread while hardly 4 managers have been participating. Keep on the mentation going and keep posting..!!

[karma]

Yup... great goin bhavin.... i think our brain wavelenghts are set at the same level... was just waiting for tht comment to happen thats a very valid point tht is one of the ansewr and the solution.....
make concessions on fee structure so that they dont get a monetary burden


Some Managers dont have anything to say any more... well i overestimated the managers here.... WoOoOoO. by these comments i think we make a valid point...

P.S: No Guts No Glory

[kartik]

Some Managers dont have anything to say any more... well i overestimated the managers here.... WoOoOoO. by these comments i think we make a valid point...

GET REAL !!

First of all, dont count on bhavin soo much, he is very well known to turn his views just at the last minute ;) .

Secondly, reading the creamy and the non creamy layer solution that govt is soo excited about.. I think we already discussed and we all know how to show a fake " Low Income Slab " .

Doesnt seem a solution to me

[bhavin_3]

GET REAL !!

First of all, dont count on bhavin soo much, he is very well known to turn his views just at the last minute ;) .

Well known to change views haa :pound: ..!! A hole in the ice is dangerous only to those who go skating. When u gestate something only than u have an option of questioning your opinion and a person questioning his own opinion majorly pertains to reach some kind of origination.


Secondly, reading the creamy and the non creamy layer solution that govt is soo excited about.. I think we already discussed and we all know how to show a fake " Low Income Slab " .

Doesnt seem a solution to me

Tell u what fake is a word which has been very much compatible to the Indian Environment. Each and every field has a loop hole when u use the word fake. So it's not much of relavance cause any answer u would come up the word fake would be sever there. The issue in hand is how to solve the problem and the solution of creamy and the non creamy layer seems very enchanting at the moment.

[kartik]

Well known to change views haa :pound: ..!! A hole in the ice is dangerous only to those who go skating. When u gestate something only than u have an option of questioning your opinion and a person questioning his own opinion majorly pertains to reach some kind of origination.

A simpler version would mean " I dont think before i give my opinon "

Tell u what fake is a word which has been very much compatible to the Indian Environment. Each and every field has a loop hole when u use the word fake. So it's not much of relavance cause any answer u would come up the word fake would be sever there.

The word fake is compatible not just with indian environment but with every business environment. The issue at hand is how to get a full proof solution so that the backward class is uplifted and those which are not in that category dont take undue advantage of it .

The issue in hand is how to solve the problem and the solution of creamy and the non creamy layer seems very enchanting at the moment

Enchanting is for fairytales . I would rather appreciate a not so enchanting but practical solution .

[bhavin_3]

Well known to change views haa :pound: ..!! A hole in the ice is dangerous only to those who go skating. When u gestate something only than u have an option of questioning your opinion and a person questioning his own opinion majorly pertains to reach some kind of origination.
A simpler version would mean " I dont think before i give my opinon "
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Ya many people never tend to understand english i wonder why??


The word fake is compatible not just with indian environment but with every business environment. The issue at hand is how to get a full proof solution so that the backward class is uplifted and those which are not in that category dont take undue advantage of it ..
Totally agree why dont u give one option in these subject which is full proof. :pound:



Enchanting is for fairytales . I would rather appreciate a not so enchanting but practical solution .

U tell me a better solution which according to u is much more practical.. The ball is on your court..!!! :horn:

[kartik]

Ya many people never tend to understand english i wonder why?? Mayb because it isnt used properly :)

Totally agree why dont u give one option in these subject which is full proof. Thats for us to discuss. For now, I dont agree on the creamy and non creamy layer solution.

U tell me a better solution which according to u is much more practical.. The ball is on your court..!!! And it always will be . Amen !!

[bhavin_3]

Mayb because it isnt used properly :)
Well known to change views haa :pound: ..!! A hole in the ice is dangerous only to those who go skating. When u gestate something only than u have an option of questioning your opinion and a person questioning his own opinion majorly pertains to reach some kind of origination.

Not used properly haila mera phenglish bigadgaya lagta hai.. Even a 12 yr old could say its correct and the meanin too...:big_grin:


Thats for us to discuss. For now, I dont agree on the creamy and non creamy layer solution.
Lol discussion ya well thats y we are here for...!! Though u were going pretty out of the subject. Rather than puttin views on Is the quota system for higher studies justified

[kartik]

Not used properly haila mera phenglish bigadgaya lagta hai.. Even a 12 yr old could say its correct and the meanin too...:big_grin:

True, It did sound childish, maybe a 12 yr old would understand it better :pound: .

Lol discussion ya well thats y we are here for...!! Though u were going pretty out of the subject. Rather than puttin views on Is the quota system for higher studies justified

I already did put my view , Read post no 4 .

[karma]

Hey Kartik i too know your hinnglish i have good memories of the chat we had that day....... and saying.... abt the solution to such a problem... is not giving reservations at all...... just when you get your admissions done at the college on your merit..... if you are not financially sound the government can help out but well no stinking quotas... for these guyz
as well say this tooo... if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........


so i just mean help them financially.. and dont screw other peoples future by the quota system.. many people lose interest bcos ppl tend to continue studying on & on.... and not after trying again and again wen the person has to support his family in a few years time he cannot wait for him to get admission.. and when the family burden comes he stops studying.. and loses the interests in studying.....

P.S: Stop bragging about kartiks english guyz get to the point.. lets get atleast one debate to an end.......

[kartik]

Hey Kartik i too know your hinnglish i have good memories of the chat we had that day :pound: I couldve just copy paste the chat if i had it stored . Every1 wouldve enjoyed it !!


if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........
Ever heard of the term called LOANS ??

I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ?

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score well ??

AND .. if he does put up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side.

I would still say, continue with the quota system in govt colleges .

Any counter views ?? :rip:

[karma]

abt tht chat i wished i had it too.... :p

yup.. i am not biased against financial positiobn of the people taking admissions.. i just say fair play, u get the marks u deserve the seats thats all... i dunt care abt money...
and dude read properly what i have written
just when you get your admissions done at the college on your merit..... if you are not financially sound the government can help out but well no stinking quotas... for these guyz
as well say this tooo... if they are so backward how the hell the get the big money to pay for the fees........
read and try to understand.. just a moment... these sc / st suppose to be even below the poverty line... heard abt repayment of the damn LOAN.. Interest and all. newayzi dunt werever they get their money from..... i had just plainly said No Quotas and all... and abt financial position.. its just tht if the government wants to help out these classes.. give them financial help..
P.S: 1. Kartik plz read

2 .Money gets u admissions no need to f**k around and argue abt the quota :) then

[kartik]

I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ?

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score well ??

AND .. if he does put up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side.

I would still say, continue with the quota system in govt colleges .

Any counter views ??

There.. i made it in bold colour so that you can read properly and give if not competitive then atleast a relevant counter view :)

PS : Using words like F**K does not make your point any stronger .

[karma]

If you put it that way ... ya get sentimental people..... that was so touchy....
i stand by it....u get good marks u get the seat..... no quota even if hell breaks lose.... look at the other side.....

I would like to show another side of the coin. Would a person sitting in the comfort of a air-con all day with the best of the books in hand and the best of the coaches , get good marks ? gets through... courtesy Quota System

OR

A person who toils all day to support his family, studies late nights in the street lights , with limited resources and nil coaching .... score good marks.... ??

AND .. if he puts up a competitive score.. who is entitled for the MBA admission ? The rich guy or the poor guy ?

This is the real side. there are lotsa sides

so the quota or the hard work

[kartik]

It wasnt supposed to be sentimental or touchy. Its a fact that you dont want to accept.

If you spend 20k on coaching, get the best of the books and still score a 95 percentile, and

A person in the slums, studies in street lights, with minimum reference material and no coaching at all gets a 90 percentile.

I feel the person in the slums has an edge on you.

BOTTOM LINE : if they are underprivildge , they should get concessions. Hence, Justifying the quota system .

PS : Comeon, you can do better than that karma :)

[karma]

:crazy: The IIM's do not look at how you got your scores.. they just look AT the scores.. u score well... u get seat... you dont score well find another institute........
now as if u looking at tht person in an society wise sentimental way... but i am looking at the facts right now.......

Take this in a sweeter way kartik... the underprivelege guy is ambitious and all... he works hard and gets a pretty good score of 98 percentile.. okkkk and the the other poor guy got a score of 95 percentile but was very hard wrking.. studying like anything day & night and alll the blah blah altogether.. now i say the first guy was not as consistent with his schedule and his studies but was street smart and learnt fast.... so whom should get the seat.....

think about the facts kartik... :boom:
if he doesnt have it in him he wont get the seat.. these entrance tests are conducted so as to give everybody a fair chance...


now a new system is in the pipeline... Heard abt it...
quota system in the corporate world....
i think that is not proper and all think the same, right. bcos we feel the productivity and the efficiency of the company will go down..... so what is the difference ... the same apllies to the (HIGHER STUDIES) education in india...
why to give concessions and get sub standard quality in products as well as service and chance...
:focus:
P.S.: kartik think abt it (:dizzy: use it atleast once)

[kartik]

I am sure ppl here after reading these posts know who is NOT using his brains ;) ... I think you have a MAJOR issue of self image.

Anywayz.. Getting into the corporate world, ever heard of concessions for SSI's ??

Why are the small scale industries given concessions to compete with MNC's or Giant firms ? You would say ban that too right ??

I am soo sorry that your tiny size brain doesnt accept that underpriviledged need concession to be at par with people like us who have all the comforts.

The IIM's do not look at how you got your scores.. they just look AT the scores.. u score well... u get seat...

If that was the case, the quota system question wouldnt arise in the first pleace.

Anywayz, i see the few last posts and i see you are putting the same things without any new comment or point.

So post your concluding comment as we both know that the battle will never end.

[karma]

Kartik please read and understand... we all know whos right and whos wrong.... i know kartik that truth hurts the most thats why you got so hyper :) but listen i am here talking about people not companies... they are completely diffrent.. understand brother. go and read about SSI's and their priveleges..and read about the corporate priveleges. and well why the hell am i having this discussion... its all about people.... not a company.... :focus:
and think abt the intelligence of the person not the financial one...and talk about Quotas of people not concessions that is not relevant...THINK ABOUT PEOPLE IN GENERAL
Last Comment on this thread abt the main topic if no one else post. bcos i dont wanna argue with one person on the same topic i just want hear the issue not a inflated ego problem.


get good scores... no other quota except freedom fighter, defence, handicapped... u work hard u should get a seat... the seat should not go to a person who is just going easy in life or does not have the intelligence and in the end takes the seat with low scores or not enuf good score (courtesy Quota system).. if the person is underprivelege. then financial help is fine.... but no quotas please for higher studies...

and the votes justifies this
the same apllies to the (HIGHER STUDIES) education in india...
why to give concessions and get sub standard quality in products as well as service and chance...

correction i mean quotas not concessions

and dude lisin stop whining if you cannot win... :pound:(NO COMMENTS):big_grin:

you can never win phschologically against a person who doesnt want to accept his defeat...and learn logic!!!!! (even if he has lost) well i also know what will be the next reply....waiting for the same

p.s. will reply to counter, views on my thinking from some1

[kartik]

you can never win phschologically against a person who doesnt want to accept his defeat...and learn logic!!!!! (even if he has lost)

So thats wht your shrink said to you ;)

get good scores... no other quota except freedom fighter, defence, handicapped... u work hard u should get a seat... the seat should not go to a person who is just going easy in life or does not have the intelligence and in the end takes the seat with low scores or not enuf good score (courtesy Quota system).. if the person is underprivelege. then financial help is fine.... but no quotas please for higher studies...

you said yes to the defence, the handicap and freedom fighter ... so we are left with just the backward class quota.

Rest all typed by you is just a blah blah trying to prove your ignorant self otherwise.

Try replying without your smart a** comments about " people " participating because i cannot tolerate non sense and your attitude is getting hissy day by day .

[karma]

EXPECTED RESPONSE.......:pound::pound:
No Comments :pound:
:focus:

[bhavin_3]

I would request all forumites that these sub forum is for debate & discussion. There should be debates relevant to the topic and no personal opinion on fellow forumites shall be exhibited.:focus:

[SNEHALT]

heyGuys.......... I have been reading ur posts lately. There is no end to this topic. But the point here is the reservation sysytems for SC/ St's were made back then coz they were completely ignored by the society.These were made for their upliftment.But now things have changed. People r becoming more liberal about their thoughts, views. Before aaproaching a person we dont enquire about a person's whereabouts (whether he is from lower caste or not). So why do we need these reservtions. After all it's rule of life "STRONGEST SURVIVES". What's the use of these reservations and money if u dont have the guts to face the world.

[karma]

its ur 2nd post u impress me sneha. Uve understood a valid point.

[gaurav200x]

Ah! well... nice squeezy fight between Kartik and Karma... It would have been fun to see the fight turn into eye-poking and head-breaking... but alas! i wasn't so lucky... ;)

Neways, i would say that reservation is something which can't be considered. The govt. adopts for reservation just considering the vote bank. But on the contrary, they forget that reservation would only lead to a product from high ranking colleges which would be of mediocre quality. How can u expect the top most B-schools like IIMs to produce the quality they can boast upon.

Another thing is that the only people who benefit from reservation are the rich people in the reserved categories. I say if at all u want to provide them with facilities, give them books, give them free coaching or reduce their fees at the B-schools, but why marring the competition spirit that is present. Entrance exams should be conducted without any holds of reservation so that all the participants can get a fair chance to compete.

[karma]

Hey i think people do understand logic WooOOoo !!! hehehe lol.... nice post gaurav. well gaurav u missed a nice litte verbal fight. kartik and i are staunch enemies but good frriends too. so we may poke your eye and break your head together lol hehehe. just jokin newayz nice point uve got there....

[karma]

HEY All Listen everybody knows whats the news going on TV .. well its abt the quota system.... and we already have discussed abt it. and now we have an online petition which is to be forwarded to the president and the prime minister. please do sign the petition.

Edited by admin. (http://www.managementparadise.com/forums/nolink)

The petition that is being circulated is not going to be forwarded to prime minister and president.

Better yet, email the president and prime minister .

Link below :

Website to mail PRIME MINISTER : http://pmindia.nic.in/write.htm

Website to mail President : http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/writetopresident.jsp

[karma]

There is a valid point on abolishment of quota system. which did not come on the debate we are having... well these obcs and sc,st etc do get tht quota in higher studies but later down the line they feel inferior to the other meritorius students which affects their morale and self confidence... after sometime they are not able to keep up with studies and drop out..... due to this quota system other deserving students lose out to these quota systems students...

[vipinair]

QUOTA...supposedly introduced long back for the upliftment of poor..today stands to be the topic which has divided the country and all thanks to the POLITICIANS who would do anything to save their Bread & Butter!

what happened has happened and i dont think any politician or any political party would have the guts to abolish the QOUTA system and NO PRIZES for guess the reason! the least that could be done now is not to introduce any new QUOTA's either in the premier institutes or in the PRIVATE sector.

instead increase the number of schools and colleges. build their infrastructure. let the money not flow in your pockets for a year... and INDIA would be a UNITED & EDUCATED country.

regards...
-vipin.

[amardeep.rishi]

Well India is the only country where people proudly says they r from lower caste.
This quota system can only make this rift wider.Govt should think logically that in the race of winning votes they r leading this country towards discrimination.
Issue could b addressed but problem is no one on the other side is willing to understand!!

[amardeep.rishi]

Edited : Double Post

[themaharana]

definately not. if this takes place, definately Arjun SIngh will have 2 take back the step. Arjun Singh, hope u listening to management paradise polls

[rohit_pn]

Its absolutely correct to encourage backward classes to perform well and provide them withh all assistance in their endeavour to improve their standard of living.

But on the name of backward class upliftment, it is not correct to accept unqualified/poor quality people for higher education/jobs by reserving seats for them in competetive examinations/entries. These people should be given all assistance/guidance in achieving the minimum qualifing education and then shouls be asked to compete. If one is capable, he will get through and would be an asset to the organisation he joins. I feel that reservation is being used as political tool to get political advantage rather than upliftmentment of poors. What do you think?

[shrijit_s]

It is more than 50 yrs of independence. We should have abolished all kinds of discrimination on d basis of caste, religion, race etc. But here the gr8 politicians go ahead & try to create more discrimination. So in effect we are discriminating against people to achieve equality.

Reservation goes against the basic premise of equality & the worst thing is that it inevitably fails. Lets consider the scenario when 50% students of an IIM/IIT is from a reserved category. There is no doubt that 5 to 10% of these will be those students, who are poor, who have put in a huge amount of effort & who deserve to be there. And these guys will even pass out from these institutes without much problem.

But a majority of these students will find it extremely difficult to cope with the course & in most probability will fail terribly. This is not just a baseless fact. I have observed this atleast in case of my college during BMS. They had got thru CCEE on the basis of reservation but found the course extremely difficult to cope up with & many of them flunked in the 1st year itself.

So for the 10% of these students, 40% meritorious students lose out on their seats.
Right now the single most objective of the govt should be to overhaul the primary education system, which is in a state of mess. A good percentage of SSC passouts don't even know to write their own name. Absenteeism of the teachers in the villages is huge, because they are not accountable to anyone. If such is the scenario how will a student, who studies in such school ever dream of getting into an IIM. Under reservation also his seat will be taken up by the so called 'Creamy Layer', who have the education backing but they do not deserve this.

Politicians also say that reservation in education, jobs will lead to decrease in discrimination. How can they ensure this?? Discrimination, if it exists, can still continue unabated. No kind of reservation can stop this.

I am also concerned about the effect of reservation on the social attitude of people. Already protests have started by groups who are pro reservation & those who are against reservation. This can always explode into a more serious form of protest, which I hope will never happen.

I just pray that the PM will give this a serious thought before taking any action.

Cheers

[amardeep.rishi]

well quota system is going to be a futile...employement of backward class is a social issue not legal one....govt should understand the consequences of it.

[karma]

well sorry to say this but stilll there is no positive response from the government after al the protest everything is falling to deaf ears.... just a pure politics game.. just there is one hope tht after the elections everything will be chnaged back i hope...............

[amardeep.rishi]

Hye Karma.....
i think this reservation thing is loosing it;s ground now....as in yeasterday newspaper says knowledge panel headed by sam pitroda voted out this fundamental of reservation.They opposed the plan of addmissions in IIM's or IIT's through reservation as it's imp to maintain the healthy spirit of compition in order to improve the standred of system.
None can gainsay the fact that this reservation voice leaked to gain political benefits....but time is surely changing buddy.

[shrijit_s]

Hye Karma.....
i think this reservation thing is loosing it;s ground now....as in yeasterday newspaper says knowledge panel headed by sam pitroda voted out this fundamental of reservation.They opposed the plan of addmissions in IIM's or IIT's through reservation as it's imp to maintain the healthy spirit of compition in order to improve the standred of system.
None can gainsay the fact that this reservation voice leaked to gain political benefits....but time is surely changing buddy.

amardeep..the Knowledge committe is just one committe set up by the govt..Its recommendations is well just a recommendation...the govt has the final right on its acceptance...

Though I hope I am proved wrong..but I think that 50% reservations is soon going to be a reality:( looking at the fact that there is minimal political opposition to reservations per se...

Cheers!!

[kartik]

Baah... who cares abt political opposition..

If it comes to it.. Management Students can revolt and all politicians would have to succumb because if all management students unite and decide to vote in favour of the party revolting against the quota system ... the parties supporting the quota system will find themselves sitting on a gas..

[amardeep.rishi]

well karkit u sounds reallly furious....rightly so...
let me tell u shriijit this is how things begins..atleast some knowledge group is there to advice the govt...and we are fortunate this at this point of time we are having one of the best people leading(PM and President)...as everyone says politics is a dirty game but people r raising their voice and govt is now pondering the long term effect of this issue...Some of our smart politicians r still in the vicious cycle of votes, business fraternity is also taking some hard steps by opposing this law of insanity...rightly said by Karkit even student class and educatd youth is standing tall against this act.y to loose hope afterall it's us who will be responsible for concequences...we r the one who will decide the future...lets not loose hope...and don't accept the things so easily.
Let me quote u a line by Larry ellison(CEO, Oracle)..."The most important aspect of my personality, as far as determining my success goes, has been my questioning conventional wisdom, doubting the experts, and questioning authority"

We should have the courage to speak what v think...so don't accept the things so easily u think incorrect!!

[ananta]

Well lots have been discussing here about quotas since 50%is already decided as we cant do anything now i would liike to ask one question to Arjun singh rite now whom will he prefer to give admission:
1]to a quota person who is a son of a millionare or
2]to a poor person who has gr8 IQ with gud marks but lost it only becoz less seats in open category.
Considering SC,STs it can be taken into consideration that they were treated really bad at that time may be more worse than the animals but for OBCs they were never as in treated bad nor any injustice have been done to them
Please give in ur feedbacks for this

[ananta]

heyGuys.......... I have been reading ur posts lately. There is no end to this topic. But the point here is the reservation sysytems for SC/ St's were made back then coz they were completely ignored by the society.These were made for their upliftment.But now things have changed. People r becoming more liberal about their thoughts, views. Before aaproaching a person we dont enquire about a person's whereabouts (whether he is from lower caste or not). So why do we need these reservtions. After all it's rule of life "STRONGEST SURVIVES". What's the use of these reservations and money if u dont have the guts to face the world.
I completely agree with u.Well its just tht brains should be working.CUT OFFS should be same for evryone.For sometime leave aside the money part i mean definitely they have reduction in fees but cutoffs should be same for everyone coz all of them try hard to get in.So y quotas for that?

[amardeep.rishi]

Well lots have been discussing here about quotas since 50%is already decided as we cant do anything now i would liike to ask one question to Arjun singh rite now whom will he prefer to give admission:
1]to a quota person who is a son of a millionare or
2]to a poor person who has gr8 IQ with gud marks but lost it only becoz less seats in open category.
Considering SC,STs it can be taken into consideration that they were treated really bad at that time may be more worse than the animals but for OBCs they were never as in treated bad nor any injustice have been done to them
Please give in ur feedbacks for this
Ananta valid point raised.....but there could b n number of questions one can frame on this regard from arjun singh or whosoever advocate reservation...fact is this is a social issue not a legal one..it's can't be a law...and there r lots of things needs consideration....like they want quota on jobs too...
-will it b only at entry level or at all levels?
-according to new legislation it will be mandatory for companies to declare their total employment.(will it be possible for small scale industries as their profits r depleting..eg.small computer business,jwellery or dairy business)
-industries would scream that it affects their competitiveness
-if the law is extended to foreign companies it will breach TRIMS agreement in the WTO which prohibits local content requirements on foreign firms.
-till how long this is going to stay...how many generations will take benefit from it...or how long they will remain unprivilaged?

basic question is...will it b fine to sideline the quality or merit just to promote reservation as they think it's the only way to help unpirivilage.It's been 60 years reservation is prevelant in our system and it never raised the standered yet..probably it's the time to rethink on this paradigm.it's not working!!
asnwer is to provide them financial aids for better primary education and raising their standerd to match up with normal...special traning institutes should open and better loan facilities could b provided.

else open a new IIM's next to IIM(BLACKI) and named (IIM OBC)only OBC will study and only OBC will teach.no harm in giving quota's to SC/ST's...:big_grin:

[gaurav200x]

One simple analysis will reveal many facts... Let's look it from the mid 20th century... The so called dalits/elites of now, were treated like untouchables and they were not allowed to join the schools and colleges for the upper class, irrespective of their intellectual power. Hence, at the time, to improve their status, quota system was introduced.. However, if u look around, the std . of living of the citizens has improved drastically... I don't deny that poverty isn't there, yet the citizens have better living std as compared to the past.. They get a lot of subsidies on the basic commodities, the cost of which is borne, by the middle and the upper class, in the form of tax... Alright, so far, so good!

However, despite this improvement, the quota system is still present. The govt. hasn't done much on the primary education and on the contrary, it is making reservations on the secondary edu.

How can u expect a firm building...when its foundation is weak??

u want to improve the living stds further, strengthen their base, i.e. primary education. The only ppl benefitting from the quota would be the rich in the elites as the poor would still have to think about the cost of education. I have studied with many guys belonging to SC/ST and they went to IIT, instead of me, bcoz of their reservation. What's more even the people having a lower score, were inducted... Why this partiality? I know i have better brains than them and their living standard is the same as mine?

Hence, it is very clear that the quota system introduced is meaningless and merely a vote-gathering gimmick.

Quota would be hunky dory at the lower levels and the govt needs to provide basic amenities which should support them in the competition and not snatch it and give it entirely to them... such that there would be no competition at all..

[karma]

Baah... who cares abt political opposition..

If it comes to it.. Management Students can revolt and all politicians would have to succumb because if all management students unite and decide to vote in favour of the party revolting against the quota system ... the parties supporting the quota system will find themselves sitting on a gas..

well heres a person a with a change of heart...... atlast kartik ur on our side.... i just am aghast at seeing these young students who are goin to do their mbbs and other courses at IITs, IIMs being beaten up by police. well now i am sure the police have no heart. this gave me deja vu feeling... like from rang de basanti.. like opposing injustice and then u only get killed or beaten up:SugarwareZ-158::SugarwareZ-158:

[gaurav200x]

well heres a person a with a change of heart...... atlast kartik ur on our side.... i just am aghast at seeing these young students who are goin to do their mbbs and other courses at IITs, IIMs being beaten up by police. well now i am sure the police have no heart. this gave me deja vu feeling... like from rang de basanti.. like opposing injustice and then u only get killed or beaten up:SugarwareZ-158::SugarwareZ-158:
yaar.. what can th police do? they have to follow the orders they get from their baap (i.e. Arjun Singh) and besides they have to ensure proper law and order situation or else this mob would enter into vandalism....

However, every revolution has to face some brunt of opposition, violence but it is incredible how they are revolting against corrupt politics...

Three cheers for them!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:

[amardeep.rishi]

well...nice to c that kartik is now supporting us...

[karma]

mob couldnt have entered into vandalism it was mentioned they wer on silent protest, and the police just lathichrged them even not sparing girls.... even a person who may be a senior politician or police officer if had spoken to them they would have understood.. but nuthing of tht sorts happened.... well tht crowd was a sophisticated educated mob not the violent agitators type.. but kudos for their efforts....

[shrijit_s]

Lots n Lots of cheers to the protestors & their efforts...Hope that these protest keeps on increasing on a huge scale unless the govt has to do a serious rethink abt reservations...

Cheers!!

[karma]

a tI think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I
completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this.
Let's start the
reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent
reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket
rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be
reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be
considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted
as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a
century.

We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like
Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers
should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player.
Any delivery above
this speed should be made illegal.

Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race,
an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.

There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST
and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and
politicians (that can really help the country.. )

Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the
ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..)

Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA
forward...
Let's show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of
being
an INDIAN..

So, what do you think, huh???

HEY lets fight together and I assure that v can chuck the
reservations . I need your support desparetely . I have a fll plan to
oppose it so plz join hands with me fight this evil. I need youll .
Thanks friends.
Please call me and ill tell you the date for a meeting. V will be
having a meet wherein students of all fraternities will get united.
Even the press will be there!!

give me your support and we will lead a protest, help and support the revolution. join hands reply to me for your support. or use this thread to express your support.

[gaurav200x]

hey rochit, i'm there with u man! Although, i'm not in bby... but count in my support!

Regards,
Gaurav

[anu shukla]

HI THERE
saw some gr88 reviews on the quota reservation & i, as an indian(seams as a politician, isn't it?) want to raise my voice reagrding the injustice done by these reservations..
y do we need quota exactly???
*it was started at the time of making of constitution in 1950 by nehru, & was particularly meant fr the"HARIJAN CLASS"class which was living in abject poverty & was nt having equal rights as other people!fr ex:nt letting enter into mandir & all that stuff!!
AT THAT TIME ALSO IT WAS MADE ONLY 10% & WAS MEANT TO EXIST ONLY FR A DECADE!!in todays screnarion have you ever felt the same???to revise the statstics these backward classes now earn more than the general category people just becauz they get all the priviledge!

*IN indira gandhi time it was increased to 17% ??BUT MAY I KNOW HAS IT IN ANY CASE MADE A DIFFERENCE TO THEM??

* time has come if u sit fr any exam if you exclude all the quotas u will find the genral seats becoming a meagre quota itself!!just chk out fr any state exam!!

* india is the first country to go fr approx 50% quota in everything fr backward classes, i am surprised y this didn't struck in the mind of bush..so he must have nt invested in food stamps& regular primary education etc....

* quota fr handicaps & disabled person is truly justified as they are nt equally efficient as us..but even they get a minute % SURPRISINGLY HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THEM YELLING FR INCREASE IN THE SAME??infact i can quote examples of many disabled getting admission in delhi univ on merit & fighting with the situation as a normal candidate!

BUT EVEN AFETR ALL THIS BEING A GENERAL CANDIDATE & LOSING SEATS TO THESE PEOPLE IN EVERY AREA , I STILL FEEL THEIR QUOTA IS VERY IMPORTANT IN CERTAIN FIEDS!!PLEASE HAVE A LOOK B'FORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSION MY FRIEND!!!:-
@they should be part of the medical panel that is there to take care of our politicians, in an average if you see evry politician is gvn free med chk =up , i insist that they shud be treated by these special doctors only & shud nt be gvn chances to flee the country to get foreign chk up!!!

@ they shud be a part of forces, definitely .but shud be posted to provide security to parliament,assembly & politician's security guards!in this case again plenty of jobs!& by serving their loyals they wud be able to show their gratitudes to masters(politicians)

@they shud be part of teaching institution & shud be given fair chance to teach every politician's child! sooo no more doon school like rajiv, rahul & priyanka!

@ shud be part of banks , & other finance institution so as to manage the politician's money!!

hence in short they shud be "BY THE NETA'S , FOR THE NETAS & WITH THE NETA'S EVERYTIME"afterall they are their regular votebanks yaar!!
you urself will see lot of jobs , equal oppurtunity & equal respect coming their way!
so this is my view( feeling relaxed)..nthing to offend anyone just to make a valid pt!
hope u enjoy!
take care
anu:bigsmile:

[karma]

anuji i appreciate ur response but will u b able to oppose it just by making sarcastic comments or do something against the new rule.... dnt sit back join the revolution extend ur support spread the message gather more support......... and get back to me to show ur strength....and show what u can do and what u feel abt it this very next mnth we are having a protest i hope to see you ther. the date and time will be communicated stay in touch

[anu shukla]

HI KARMA

boss i am extending my support to the delhi base( if u missed, i am from delhi!!!) so, ALL THE BEST FR THE MUMBAI PART, REMEMBER WE ARE WITH YOU!
also my concern was nt to make the sarcastic comments but to shw that politicians will nt suffer evn a bit by this reservation, its only we who will be the ones to feel the heat!!!
take care
anu

[gaurav200x]

@they should be part of the medical panel that is there to take care of our politicians, in an average if you see evry politician is gvn free med chk =up , i insist that they shud be treated by these special doctors only & shud nt be gvn chances to flee the country to get foreign chk up!!!

@ they shud be a part of forces, definitely .but shud be posted to provide security to parliament,assembly & politician's security guards!in this case again plenty of jobs!& by serving their loyals they wud be able to show their gratitudes to masters(politicians)

@they shud be part of teaching institution & shud be given fair chance to teach every politician's child! sooo no more doon school like rajiv, rahul & priyanka!

@ shud be part of banks , & other finance institution so as to manage the politician's money!!


Gr8 post Anu!! very informative and good sarcasm indeed!

Really appreciate ur thinking! wish it cud be implemented too! :aj:

[karma]

go delhi.................. well we are with you then.. i just want support thats all is needed to make the society understand

[kartik]

Aah Karma, if a revolution is what you want.. then mail me the date and time and I wil make sure to mass mail everyone about the same. But if you want to take the initiative.. you will be the one in the front row to march down that road and if you back out last minute .. I will make sure , I hunt you down and kick your tiny behind ... :)

[gaurav200x]

Aah Karma, if a revolution is what you want.. then mail me the date and time and I wil make sure to mass mail everyone about the same. But if you want to take the initiative.. you will be the one in the front row to march down that road and if you back out last minute .. I will make sure , I hunt you down and kick your tiny behind ... :pound::pound::pound::pound:

[anu shukla]

yup!karma, here we got u!
wat happend ,where have u gone??, eager to hear ur response to kartik's idea....just kidding!:bigsmile:
take care
anu:SugarwareZ-191:

[ch21599]

The hunger strike in delhi has entered into the fourth day ... do come to support us...
- Youth for equality

[aspire]

The hunger strike in delhi has entered into the fourth day ... do come to support us...
- Youth for equality
Pls pm me ur cell number , I will be leaving for delhi shortly to go to that strike .. can we meet there...
regards

shailesh

[ch21599]

@aspire , check your inbox, have sent u the number...

[aspire]

@aspire , check your inbox, have sent u the number...
Okie got it ,.. thanks .. will it be ok , if i reach slightly late .. will be collecting soem banners from the printing press ..... and some stickers also

regards

shailesh

[ch21599]

yeah , sure mate .... been 4 days now , surely we can wait a while longer

[kartik]

Hunger strike is like following gandhian principles .

Get inspired.. Tum khoon do ... mai tumhein aazadi dunga... subhas chandra bose !!

[karma]

Aah Karma, if a revolution is what you want.. then mail me the date and time and I wil make sure to mass mail everyone about the same. But if you want to take the initiative.. you will be the one in the front row to march down that road and if you back out last minute .. I will make sure , I hunt you down and kick your tiny behind ... kartik i am taking the initiative and i know how to implement it. i dont need anyone to tell me abt it. and i know one thing only unity is what we need but i hope to see u joinin me in tht fight rather than sitting behind the pc and passing comments.


so just help out...... spread the message, join the
revolution

P.S: will give u the dates soon

[karma]

For all interested.. Hope to see a few of you there.....

SOLIDARITY DAY..

On Saturday May 20th...anti-reservation protests have been organised in the
entire country..

We at YFE ( Youth for Equality ) mumbai have organised a PROTEST followed by
a CANDLE LIGHT march..for SHIVAJI PARK TO BANDRA RECLAMATION.

All are Invited to assemble at SHIVAJI PARK on SATURDAY 20TH MAY at
4.30pm..the march will begin from SHIVAJI PARK at
6.00 pm..sharp.

Please bring as many people as you can..we are gonna show this govt. that we
cannot be taken for granted and we are ready to fight for our rights
..and we will not accept any increase in the present reservations in
education..

This invitation is not only for medical students but for ALL students and
anybody old, young, working, basically ANYBODY who wants to voice his
protest against this unfair proposed in reservation..

Thank you..please forward this to all ur friends..

[pratik_mehta7]

arey! why t ofight over quota system? anyways quota wolud anyways guarantee a short term success. guys this is to make you all remember that survival of fittest - the darwenian theory...

[scud]

hello everyone
i think its high time when v the youth start gettin more
pro-active...... v can't allow politically ambitious morons 2 dicatate
our future......well insensitivness of government towards striking
students is apalling 2 say da least.......nobody carez for wat
v students want......the main reason the youth of this nation
is taken for granted is bcoz v prefer 2 stay away from politics.....
with highly polarized pro quota governments stand its not long
before quotas r implemented.......v have 2 choices either 2 move
out of our country or fight the system...... well the only way
to fight the system is 2 get in the system........so i stongly
urge intellects n visionary students 2 form a single platform
by which v can have our say....... kudos to youth for equality
for taking initiative........i m not racist but being forced 2 turn
into one by default!!!!!!!!!! :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

[ch21599]

the only thing on the basis of which there is no discrimination in our country happens to be something called merit... we discriminate on the basis of caste religion, geography etc..

[gaurav200x]

Yesterday i saw this in the indiatimes.com news...

The following is recommended by VP Singh

"The long term solution can be provided by implementing a neighbourhood school scheme on the lines of one such programme in Britain," Singh said.

"Under this scheme, all children would only go to neighbourhood schools. The government should allow the private sector to open these schools and fix a reasonable fee with the participation of local communities in their management."

He said the government should also subsidise these schools so that they remain affordable and children of all sections of society get quality education of the same standard.

"After a few years, you won't require any reservation."

The whole news story can be obtained from here.. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1539750.cms

[ch21599]

is this the same VP singh who was responsible for the original mandal commission implementations ? unbelievable....

[gaurav200x]

is this the same VP singh who was responsible for the original mandal commission implementations ? unbelievable....
What's more surprising is this is the same congress party heading the UPA who earlier opposed reservations!

[kartik]

Yesterday i saw this in the indiatimes.com news...

The following is recommended by VP Singh

"The long term solution can be provided by implementing a neighbourhood school scheme on the lines of one such programme in Britain," Singh said.

"Under this scheme, all children would only go to neighbourhood schools. The government should allow the private sector to open these schools and fix a reasonable fee with the participation of local communities in their management."

He said the government should also subsidise these schools so that they remain affordable and children of all sections of society get quality education of the same standard.

"After a few years, you won't require any reservation."

The whole news story can be obtained from here.. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1539750.cms




Whichever be the party and whoever be the mastermind behind this suggestion.. i sure wouldnt deny that such a educational system would be a great step towards brighter india.

[karma]

tht is something i will look forward to...

[amardeep.rishi]

Have u seen the interview of Arjun singh with Karan Thapar....ohh god arjun singh was speechless and he had nothing to say except...(it's a parlimantry dicision and i have to honor that decision)..&%$@#....trust me man that interview was must watch...let me try to reframe some imp questions
Points
-karan thapar gave states regarding the number of OBC's in country asked arjun singh"are you aware what % of Indian population us OBC"....Arjun singh"............hmmmm......."...Karan Thapar-Gave some stats from a govt authorized body..."in 1999 % of OBC's in country was 28%...and today in universities(higer education) 23.5% seats r aready occupied by OBC's...so will it b fine to raise 27% quota for rest 6-7% of population".....arjun singh-"..............i don't know"...Karan Thapar"if you r not aware than on which basis you r demanding reservation...arjun singh-"parlimantry decision.....parlimantry decision...parlimantry decision...blabbered same thing again:blah: "
kT-Do you think increasing the seats in premiar institutes is the only alternate
AS-It could b one of them
KT-wats other
AS-I don't know......%$#@
KT-IIT prof says it's still 30% shortage as far as staff is concren
AS-These issues could b addressed....(but when he said...i don't know)
KT-Reservation is not happneing in india...look in case of SC/ST IIT stats says 50% of SC student completes their degree in 6 years and some % faied to get it
AS-.........hmmmm.......don't categorize.......(eyes blinking and went speechless)
KT-wat abt atrocities on medical strudents and it's been a long time no minister visited them even once...does govt concerned abt them?
AS-i m concrened abt them....and the case is hyped by media....(named 2 ministers went to see them after one week)
KT-so do u think govt successfully handeled this issue
AS-yes

crux
AS-there is no question of reservation not happening

Hellllllllllllllllllllllll......:frusty:

[amardeep.rishi]

This was the interview i was talking abt


Karan Thapar: Hello and welcome to the Devil's Advocate. As the debate over the reservations for the OBCs divides the country, we ask - What are the government's real intentions? That is the critical questions that I shall put today in an exclusive interview to the Minister for Human Resource Development Arjun Singh.


Most of the people would accept that steps are necessary to help the OBCs gain greater access to higher education. The real question is - Why do you believe that reservations is the best way of doing this?


Arjun Singh: I wouldn't like to say much more on this because these are decisions that are taken not by individuals alone. And in this case, the entire Parliament of this country - almost with rare anonymity - has decided to take this decision.


Karan Thapar: Except that Parliament is not infallible. In the Emergency, when it amended the Constitution, it was clearly wrong, it had to reverse its own amendments. So, the question arises - Why does Parliament believe that the reservation is the right way of helping the OBCs?



Arjun Singh: Nobody is infallible. But Parliament is Supreme and atleast I, as a Member of Parliament, cannot but accept the supremacy of Parliament.


Karan Thapar: No doubt Parliament is supreme, but the constitutional amendment that gives you your authorities actually unenabling amendment, it is not a compulsory requirement. Secondly, the language of the amendment does not talk about reservations, the language talks about any provision by law for advancement of socially and educationally backward classes. So, you could have chosen anything other than reservations, why reservations?


Arjun Singh: Because as I said, that was the 'will and desire of the Parliament'.


Karan Thapar: Do you personally also, as Minister of Human Resource Development , believe that reservations is the right and proper way to help the OBCs?


Arjun Singh: Certainly, that is one of the most important ways to do it.


Karan Thapar: The right way?


Arjun Singh: Also the right way.


Karan Thapar: In which case, lets ask a few basic questions; we are talking about the reservations for the OBCs in particular. Do you know what percentage of the Indian population is OBC? Mandal puts it at 52 per cent, the National Sample Survey Organisation at 32 per cent, the National Family and Health Survey at 29.8 per cent, which is the correct figure?


Arjun Singh: I think that should be decided by people who are more knowledgeable. But the point is that the OBCs form a fairly sizeable percentage of our population.


Karan Thapar: No doubt, but the reason why it is important to know 'what percentage' they form is that if you are going to have reservations for them, then you must know what percentage of the population they are, otherwise you don't know whether they are already adequately catered in higher educational institutions or not.


Arjun Singh: That is obvious - they are not.


Karan Thapar: Why is it obvious?


Arjun Singh: Obvious because it is something which we all see.


Karan Thapar: Except for the fact that the NSSO, which is a government appointed body, has actually in its research in 1999 - which is the most latest research shown - that 23.5 per cent of all university seats are already with the OBCs. And that is just 8.5 per cent less than what the NSSO believes is the OBC share of the population. So, for a difference of 8 per cent, would reservations be the right way of making up the difference?


Arjun Singh: I wouldn't like to go behind all this because, as I said, Parliament has taken a view and it has taken a decision, I am a servant of Parliament and I will only implement.


Karan Thapar: Absolutely, Parliament has taken a view, I grant it. But what people question is the simple fact - Is there a need for reservations? If you don't know what percentage of the country is OBC, and if furthermore, the NSSO is correct in pointing out that already 23.5 per cent of the college seats are with the OBC, then you don't have a case in terms of need.


Arjun Singh: College seats, I don't know.


Karan Thapar: According to the NSSO - which is a government appointed body - 23.5 per cent of the college seats are already with the OBCs.


Arjun Singh: What do you mean by college seats?


Karan Thapar: University seats, seats of higher education.


Arjun Singh: Well, I don't know I have not come across that far.




Karan Thapar: So, when critics say to you that you don't have a case for reservation in terms of need, what do you say to them?


Arjun Singh: I have said what I had to say and the point is that that is not an issue for us to now debate.


Karan Thapar: You mean the chapter is now closed?


Arjun Singh: The decision has been taken.


Karan Thapar: Regardless of whether there is a need or not, the decision is taken and it is a closed chapter.


Arjun Singh: So far as I can see, it is a closed chapter and that is why I have to implement what all Parliament has said.


Karan Thapar: Minister, it is not just in terms of 'need' that your critics question the decision to have reservation for OBCs in higher education. More importantly, they question whether reservations themselves are efficacious and can work.


For example, a study done by the IITs themselves shows that 50 per cent of the IIT seats for the SCs and STs remain vacant and for the remaining 50 per cent, 25 per cent are the candidates, who even after six years fail to get their degrees. So, clearly, in their case, reservations are not working.


Arjun Singh: I would only say that on this issue, it would not be correct to go by all these figures that have been paraded.


Karan Thapar: You mean the IIT figures themselves could be dubious?


Arjun Singh: Not dubious, but I think that is not the last word.


Karan Thapar: All right, maybe the IIT may not be the last word, let me then quote to you the report of the Parliamentary Committee on the welfare for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes - that is a Parliamentary body.


It says that looking at the Delhi University, between 1995 and 2000, just half the seats for under-graduates at the Scheduled Castes level and just one-third of the seats for under-graduates at the Scheduled Tribes level were filled. All the others went empty, unfilled. So, again, even in Delhi University, reservations are not working.


Arjun Singh: If they are not working, it does not mean that for that reason we don't need them. There must be some other reason why they are not working and that can be certainly probed and examined. But to say that for this reason, 'no reservations need to be done' is not correct.


Karan Thapar: Fifty years after the reservations were made, statistics show, according to The Hindustan Times, that overall in India, only 16 per cent of the places in higher education are occupied by SCs and STs. The quota is 22.5 per cent, which means that only two-thirds of the quota is occupied. One third is going waste, it is being denied to other people.


Arjun Singh: As I said, the kind of figures that have been brought out, in my perception, do not reflect the realities. Realities are something much more and of course, there is an element of prejudice also.


Karan Thapar: But these are figures that come from a Parliamentary Committee. It can't be prejudiced; they are your own colleagues.


Arjun Singh: Parliamentary Committee has given the figures, but as to why this has not happened, that is a different matter.


Karan Thapar: I put it to you that you don't have a case for reservations in terms of need, you don't have a case for reservations in terms of their efficacy, why then, are you insisting on extending them to the OBCs?


Arjun Singh: I don't want to use that word, but I think that your argument is basically fallicious.


Karan Thapar: But it is based on all the facts available in the public domain.


Arjun Singh: Those are facts that need to be gone into with more care. What lies behind those facts, why this has not happened, that is also a fact.


Karan Thapar: Let’s approach the issue of reservations differently in that case. Reservations mean that a lesser-qualified candidate gets preference over a more qualified candidate, solely because in this case, he or she happens to be an OBC. In other words, the upper castes are being penalised for being upper caste.


Arjun Singh: Nobody is being penalised and that is a factor that we are trying to address. I think that the prime Minister will be talking to all the political parties and will be putting forward a formula, which will see that nobody is being penalised.


Karan Thapar: I want very much to talk about that formula, but before we come to talk about how you are going to address concerns, let me point one other corollary - Reservations also gives preference and favour to caste over merit. Is that acceptable in a modern society?


Arjun Singh: I don't think the perceptions of modern society fit India entirely.




Karan Thapar: You mean India is not a modern society and therefore can't claim to be treated as one?


Arjun Singh: It is emerging as a modern society, but the parameters of a modern society do not apply to large sections of the people in this country.


Karan Thapar: Let me quote to you Jawaharlal Nehru, a man whom you personally admire enormously. On the 27th of June 1961 wrote to the Chief Ministers of the day as follows: I dislike any kind of reservations. If we go in for any kind of reservations on communal and caste basis, we will swamp the bright and able people and remain second rate or third rate. The moment we encourage the second rate, we are lost. And then he adds pointedly: This way lies not only folly, but also disaster. What do you say to Jawaharlal Nehru today?


Arjun Singh: Jawaharlal Nehru was a great man in his own right and not only me, but everyone in India accept his view.


Karan Thapar: But you are just about to ignore his advice.


Arjun Singh: No. Are you aware that it was Jawaharlal Nehru who introduced the first ammendment regarding OBCs?


Karan Thapar: Yes, and I am talking about Jawaharlal Nehru in 1961, when clearly he had changed his position, he said - I dislike any kind of reservations.


Arjun Singh: I don't think one could take Panditji's position at any point of time and then overlook what he had himself initiated.


Karan Thapar: Am I then to understand that regardless of the case that is made against reservations in terms of need, regardless of the case that has been made against reservations in terms of efficacy, regardless of the case that has been made against reservations in terms of Jawaharlal Nehru, you remain committed to extending reservations to the OBCs.


Arjun Singh: I said because that is the will of Parliament. And I think that common decisions that are taken by Parliament have to be honoured.


Karan Thapar: Let me ask you a few basic questions - If reservations are going to happen for the OBCs in higher education, what percentage of reservations are we talking about?


Arjun Singh: No, that I can't say because that has yet to be decided.


Karan Thapar: Could it be less than 27 per cent?


Arjun Singh: I can't say anything on that, I have told you in the very beginning that at this point of time it is not possible for me to.


Karan Thapar: Quite right. If you can't say, then that also means that the figure has not been decided.


Arjun Singh: The figure will be decided, it has not been decided yet.


Karan Thapar: The figure has not been decided. So, therefore the figure could be 27, but it could be less than 27 too?


Arjun Singh: I don't want to speculate on that because as I said, that is decision, which will be taken by Parliament.


Karan Thapar: Whatever the figure, one thing is certain that when the reservations for OBCs happen, the total quantum of reservations will go up in percentage terms. Will you compensate by increasing the total number of seats in colleges, universities, IITs and IIMs, so that the other students don't feel deprived.


Arjun Singh: That is one of the suggestions that has been made and is being seriously considered.


Karan Thapar: Does it find favour with you as a Minister for Human Resource Development?


Arjun Singh: Whatever suggestion comes, we are committed to examine it.


Karan Thapar: You may be committed to examine it, but do you as minister believe that that is the right way forward?


Arjun Singh: That could be one of the ways, but not the only way.


Karan Thapar: What are the other ways?


Arjun Singh: I don't know. That is for the Prime Minister and the other ministers to decide.


Karan Thapar: One way forward would be to increase the total number of seats.


Arjun Singh: Yes, definitely.




Karan Thapar: But the problem is that as the Times of India points out, we are talking of an increase of perhaps as much as 53 per cent. Given the constraints you have in terms of faculty and infrastructure, won't that order of increase dilute the quality of education?


Arjun Singh: I would only make one humble request, don't go by The Times of India and The Hindustan Times about faculty and infrastructure, because they are trying to focus on an argument which they have made.


Karan Thapar: All right, I will not go by The Times of India, let me instead go by Sukhdev Thorat, the Chairman of the UGC. He points out that today, at higher education levels - that is all universities, IITs and IIMs - there is already a 1.2 lakh vacancy number. 40 per cent of these are in teaching staff, which the IIT faculty themselves point out that they have shortages of up to 30 per cent. Given those two constraint, can you increase the number of seats?


Arjun Singh: That can be addressed and that shortage can be taken care of.


Karan Thapar: But it can't be taken care of in one swoop, it will take several years to do it.


Arjun Singh: I don't know whether it can be taken care of straightway or in stages, that is a subject to be decided.


Karan Thapar: Let me ask you bluntly, if you were to agree to compensate for reservations for OBCs by increasing the number of seats, would that increase happen at one go, or would it be staggered over a period of two-three or four year old process.


Arjun Singh: As I told you, it is an issue that I cannot comment upon at this moment because that is under examination.


Karan Thapar: So, it may happen in one go and it may happen in a series of several years.


Arjun Singh: I can't speculate on that because that is not something on which I am free to speak on today.


Karan Thapar: Will the reservation for OBCs, whatever figure your Committee decides on, will it happen in one go, or will it slowly be introduced in stages?


Arjun Singh: That also I cannot say because as I told you, all these issues are under consideration.


Karan Thapar: Which means that everything that is of germane interest to the people concerned is at the moment 'under consideration' and the government is not able to give any satisfaction to the students who are deeply concerned.


Arjun Singh: That is not the point. The government knows what to do and it will do what is needed.

Karan Thapar: But if the government knows what to do, why won't you tell me what the government wants to do?


Arjun Singh: Because unless the decision is taken, I cannot tell you.


Karan Thapar: But you can share with me as the Minister what you are thinking.


Arjun Singh: No.


Karan Thapar: So, in other words, we are manitaining a veil of secrecy and the very people who are concerned...


Arjun Singh: I am not maintaining a veil of secrecy. I am only telling you what propriety allows me to tell you.


Karan Thapar: Propriety does not allow you to share with the people who are protesting on the streets what you are thinking?


Arjun Singh: I don't think that that can happen all the time.


Karan Thapar: But there are people who feel that their lives and their futures are at stake and they are undertaking fasts until death.


Arjun Singh: It is being hyped up, I don't want to go into that.


Karan Thapar: Do you have no sympathy for them?


Arjun Singh: I have every sympathy.


Karan Thapar: But you say it is being hyped up.


Arjun Singh: Yes, it is hyped up.


Karan Thapar: So, then, what sympathy are you showing?


Arjun Singh: I am showing sympathy to them and not to those who are hyping it up.




Karan Thapar: The CPM says that if the reservations for the OBCs are to happen, then what is called the creamy layer should be excluded. How do you react to that?


Arjun Singh: The creamy layer issue has already been taken care of by the Supreme Court.


Karan Thapar: That was vis -a-vis jobs in employment, what about at the university level, should they be excluded there as well because you are suggesting that the answer is yes?


Arjun Singh: That could be possible.


Karan Thapar: It could be possible that the creamy layer is excluded from reservations for OBCs in higher education?


Arjun Singh: It could be, but I don't know whether it would happen actually.


Karan Thapar: Many people say that if reservations for OBCs in higher education happen, then the children of beneficiaries should not be entitled to claim the same benefit.


Arjun Singh: Why?


Karan Thapar: So that there is always a shrinking base and the rate doesn't proliferate.


Arjun Singh: I don't think that that is a very logical way of looking at it.


Karan Thapar: Is that not acceptable to you?


Arjun Singh: No, it is not the logical way of looking at it.


Karan Thapar: So, with the possible exception of the creamy layer exclusion, reservation for OBCs in higher education will be almost identical to the existing reservations for SC/STs?


Arjun Singh: Except for the percentage.


Karan Thapar: Except for the percentage.


Arjun Singh: Yes.


Karan Thapar: So, in every other way, they will be identical.


Arjun Singh: Yes, in every other way.


Karan Thapar: Mr Arjun Singh, on the 5th of April when you first indicated that the Government was considering reservation for OBCs in higher education, was the Prime Minister in agreement that this was the right thing to do?


Arjun Singh: I think, there is a very motivated propaganda is on this issue. Providing reservation to OBCs was in the public domain right from December 2005, when Parliament passed the enabling resolution.


Karan Thapar: Quite true. But had the Prime Minister specifically agreed on or before 5th of April to the idea?


Arjun Singh: Well, I am telling you it was already there. A whole Act was made, the Constitution was amended and the Prime Minister was fully aware of what this is going to mean. Actually, he had a meeting in which OBC leaders were called to convince them that this would give them the desired advantage. And they should, therefore, support this resolution. And at that meeting, he himself talked to them. Now, how do you say that he was unaware?


Karan Thapar: But were you at all aware that the Prime Minister might be in agreement with what was about to happen but might not wish it disclosed publicly at that point of time? Were you aware of that?


Arjun Singh: It was already there in public domain, that's what I am trying to tell you.


Karan Thapar: Then answer this to me. Why are members of the PMO telling journalists that Prime Minister was not consulted and that you jumped the gun?


Arjun Singh: Well, I don't know which member of the PMO you are talking about unless you name him.


Karan Thapar: Is there a conspiracy to make you the fall guy?


Arjun Singh: Well, I don't know whether there is one or there is not. But fall guys are not made in this way. And I am only doing what was manifestly clear to every one, was cleared by the party and the Prime Minister. There is no question of any personal agenda.


Karan Thapar: They say that, in fact, you brought up this issue to embarrass the Prime Minister.


Arjun Singh: Why should I embarrass the Prime Minister? I am with him. I am part of his team.




Karan Thapar: They say that you have a lingering, forgive the word, jealousy because Sonia Gandhi chose Manmohan Singh and not you as Prime Minister.


Arjun Singh: Well, that is canard which is below contempt. Only that person can say this who doesn't know what kind of respect and regard I hold for Sonia Gandhi. She is the leader. Whatever she decides is acceptable to me.

Karan Thapar: They also say that you brought this issue up because you felt that the Prime Minister had been eating into your portfolio. Part of it had gone to Renuka Chaudhury and, in fact, your new deputy minister Purandar Sridevi had taken over certain parts. This was your way of getting back.


Arjun Singh: No one was taking over any part. This is a decision which the Prime Minister makes as to who has to have what portfolio. And he asked Mrs Renuka Devi to take it and he cleared it with me first.


Karan Thapar: So there is no animus on your part?


Arjun Singh: Absolutely not.


Karan Thapar: They say that you did this because you resented the Prime Minister's popular image in the country, that this was your way of embroiling him in a dispute that will make him look not like a modern reformer but like an old-fashioned, family-hold politician instead.


Arjun Singh: Well, the Tammany Hall political stage is over> He is our Prime Minister and every decision he has taken is in the full consent with his Cabinet and I don't think there can be any blame on him.


Karan Thapar: One, then, last quick question. Do you think this is an issue, which is a sensitive issue, where everyone knew there would have been passions and emotions that would have aroused has been handled as effectively as it should have been?


Arjun Singh: Well, I have not done anything on it. I have not sort of what you call jumped the gun. If this is an issue, which is sensitive, everyone has to treat it that way.


Karan Thapar: But your conscience as HRD Minister is clear?


Arjun Singh: Absolutely clear.


Karan Thapar: There is nothing that you could have done to make it easier for the young students?


Arjun Singh: Well, I am prepared to do anything that can be done. And it is being attempted.


Karan Thapar: For seven weeks, they have been protesting in the hot sun. No minister has gone there to appease them, to alley their concerns, to express sympathy for them. Have politicians let the young people of India down?


Arjun Singh: Well, I myself called them. They all came in this very room.

Karan Thapar: But you are the only one.


Arjun Singh: You are accusing me only. No one else is being accused.


Karan Thapar: What about the Government of India? Has the Government of India failed to respond adequately?


Arjun Singh: From the Government of India also, the Defence Minister met them.


Karan Thapar: Only recently.


Arjun Singh: That is something because everyone was busy with the elections.


Karan Thapar: For seven weeks no one met them.


Arjun Singh: No, but we are very concerned. Certainly, all of us resent the kind of force that was used. I condemned it the very first day it happened.


Karan Thapar: All right, Mr Arjun Singh. We have reached the end of this interview. Thank you very much for speaking on the subject.

[kartik]

Awesome... You know what amardeep... in this interview, Arjun singh (AS) really made a ASS of himself

[amardeep.rishi]

Statement of meira kumar



New Delhi: The quota debate is gathering storm and the doctors have entered the ninth day of hunger strike but the Government does not seem to be relenting.


The Centre now has a new target.


In a move that will just serve to intensify the Centre's stand on increasing quota for backward classes, Minister for Social Justice and Empowerment, Meira Kumar has said that the private sector will be given two years to introduce reservations voluntarily.


Kumar has said that if the private sector does not do the same within the set time limit, then the Government will be forced to bring in a law to that effect.


Simulataneously, the Centre is also working on a package to provide incentives, including tax concessions, for encouraging private companies to set up industries and create employment in districts where a large number of population is Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Castes.


However, the private sector is staunchly against the quota for backward classes especially since reservations in private corporates are on the Common Minimum Programme of the UPA government.


"We will first see what is their voluntary action, but if it fails, the Government will have to look at other options including making it legal," Commerce and Industry Minister Kamal Nath said in an interview to CNN-IBN.


Nath also said the Government action would depend on the response from the industry and if the Centre felt that the steps being taken by private firms were not "adequate on the ground", various options would be considered.


Nath said India's growth has so far been "urban-centric" and it was important to develop areas which were not a part of this growth story.


There are about 104 districts in the country, where SCs, STs and OBCs comprised more than 50 per cent of the population, he said, adding these were the areas where the government wanted the industry to set up operations.


"But, if there is no other alternative to all inclusive growth, reservations will have to happen," he said.

[amardeep.rishi]

Awesome... You know what amardeep... in this interview, Amar singh (AS) really made a ASS of himself
Boss....i think a small mistake...it's arjun singh...not amar singh:P

[kartik]

Boss....i think a small mistake...it's arjun singh...not amar singh:P

Got carried away with your name.. thnx for correction.

[karma]

Just print this out, xerox it and circulate it to as many people as you can!
Help us fight the Quotas!

It will take half-an-hour in public places to distribute a minimum of 20 of these flyers!

That's the least you can do to spread awareness and support Youth for Equality (YFE)

The flyer is attached


YFE Mumbai Website:
www.yfemumbai.blogspot.com (http://www.yfemumbai.blogspot.com/)

[amardeep.rishi]

This was wat nehru said abt reservation...and today these babbon faced congreseeee's are supporting this insane idea....
Hell....2 members from knowledge commission have resigned as some of our leaders think that reservation should b mandatory in private sector too.

[jp_pisces]

a quote from jp.(as always in shero shayri andaaz).......
"koi bada nahi koi chota nahi...sala india main koi quota nahi"

:SugarwareZ-295:

[gaurav200x]

AIIM student died Bcoz of Hunger strike...,media not covering it



Hey Karma,
this news is hoax. Acc. to the news channels, the sms was false and widely circulated to spread the false news! The same has also been conveyed by AIIMS doctors

[anu shukla]

hi there!
me back!!:big_grin:
as far as i know , there is no reason to panic rt now...as the govt itself doesn't know what it wud do with the quota, how many obc r ther,what shud be the %( hey chill , it can be less tahn 27% also!!!!thats wat it is rt now!!)....

i am surprised how badly they have done their homewrk before making a statement!!!:SugarwareZ-064:
am sure...there is light at end of tunnel!!!
so dn't panic!! fr ur interest just take a glance at the karan thappar interview, u will burst into laughter!!!"laga hi nahee arjun singh is our hrd minister!!!"
take care
anu

[gaurav200x]

Well, i found quite an interesting article :thumb:

Reservation — an alternative proposal

The article brings out alternate solutions that can be proposed which're not just based on the cast, but many other factors, viz. the family background, the status, the education quality, the community and hence treats the problem on a more scientific basis!

[kr_m]

quota meen we different we be same as all others ind it makes no difference we have same brain why simply discriminate this way if government allow us to stand on own feet only then we will otherwise we never learn

[kr_m]

Other email i received "views"
This system not gonna change soon. SC/ST/VT/OBC/BBC/MC/BC f****s are vote banks. they never study hard and lay back on such quotas. first of all we need to change the system where politicians get to decide policies and a state academic committee should decide policies instead...oh wait! then there'll be a maharashtrian quota.....be satisfied with the fact that in the workplace they'r gonna be the first to get fired coz they have no idea what they're doing...

Vivek R.


I consider this view also quite offensive but true


Go bhavin nice comment up there

i dont appreciate this comment just because some people act like that no need to be offensive to all lot of us be verry self sufficient and have become success with no OBC certificate and are proud of it also we no want reservation

[amardeep.rishi]

i dont appreciate this comment just because some people act like that no need to be offensive to all lot of us be verry self sufficient and have become success with no OBC certificate and are proud of it also we no want reservation
Well....wat should v say now....just remembering Rang de basanti when amir khan cried over the fact that being an individual i stand nowhere....i have no comments on OBC's as whatever these old moron do they can not apply reservation on mind's...if 50% quota student gets their degrees in 6 years in IIT's and some failed to even get that...i have nothing much to say..
But recial discrimanation will b there now,and now they shud b treated diffrently....their degree must say"OBC Degree"
why don;t they just distribute degrees to these people...why don't they change the passing percentage for them in IIT while doing a degree....:rant:
trust me man..i m soo furstated...i don't want to stay in this country...it sucks!!:frusty:
let only OBC\SC\ST....BC\MC...$#@#&....rule this counrty

[karma]

Hey Karma,
this news is hoax. Acc. to the news channels, the sms was false and widely circulated to spread the false news! The same has also been conveyed by AIIMS doctors
thx for the info well i got msled bcos i got tis news from several people. u sure abt it ...... neways atleast those rumours added more petrol to the fire

[karma]

Manmohan Singh to Bush – We are sending Indians to the moon next year.

Bush – Wow! How Many?

Manmohan Singh - 100

25 - OBC
25 - SC
20 - ST
5 - Handicapped
5 - Sports Persons
5 - Terrorist Affected
5 - Kashmiri Migrants
9 - Politicians
And if possible
1 – Astronnaut

[shrijit_s]

Well..It seemms that all the efforts of the protesting students are in vain. The govt has decided that quotas will be starting from June 07 acc to d newspapers 2day. The only consolation is that they are planning to increase the seats but I have no idea how they will go about doing that considering the shortage of faculty, hostels and basic infrastructure in institutes...

I guess in this life I will try to do a lot of Punya so that I'm born an OBC in d next life...as I dont c any end to reservations....

Hope that all d politicians supporting this will pay for this severely :rip:

[amardeep.rishi]

I don't know what is justified or not...but let me try to justify my stand...wat my plan is...hope u will 2nd.trying my best to add my comments in poetic isstylee

iss desh jisko bharat kehte hain
is desh ke aur na gunn gaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

iss desh main OBC's ka hoga raaj
na honge ab koi yahan per kaaj
desh ki ab iss laash per phool bhi nahi chadaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

World ki largest Democracy
lage mujhe hai autocracy
students ki ye buri halat aur nahi seh paunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

Buddhe jo hain khud andhe,kya rasta dikhlenge
apne aap chal nahi sakte @%#& khaak desh ko chalaenge
samajh aa gai baat mujhe ab auron ko samjaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

Iss desh mahan ke baare main, bahut tha maine suna
Ab bolo film per bhi ban laga dia aamir starer--> "fanaa"
gher main pirated CD laake saare muhalle ko dikhaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

Yahan rehker tum hi bolo ab main kya kar paunga
apna future dikhta nahi,bachon ka kya khaak banaunga
Kaneda,Amrika ya UK ki flight pe jaldi se chadd jaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

Kyun rehne yahan,dukh sahen yahan
kyun marr marr abb ab jiyen yahan
naa yahan koi sunn ne wala ye sabko ab sunaunga main
tum dekhna sab mere yaaron
patli gali se nikal jaunga main

Kyun na ab ikk kaam karen,iss sarkar ka kaam tamaam karen
Jawano ki bana ke party iss desh ka kuch udhaarr karen
ye promise hai mera yaaron vote tumhe dene aaunga main
perr jaldi karna mere mittron..nahi to.....
Patli gali se katt jaunga main;)


all copyrights reserved:big_grin:

[gaurav200x]

The trouble is that our MHRD are so blind and conventional in thei methods that any scientific methods do not ring a bell on their ears. In my las post, i posted a very nice article which dealt with this reservation issue quite subtly and in an intellectual way.

Probably, now wat we need is to give way for younger generation of ministries, who can think on a broader base and not stick to their conventional ridiculous ideas. These oldies are simply useless!

[amardeep.rishi]

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[aspire]

There's one question that has been bugging me for some time .. and would like to know in implicit terms .. what u guys think

suppose the quota is implemented .. and u and ur friend are writing cat . u both are comeptitiors and both are equally competent.. the only thing is ur friend is an obc .. but he doesnt want to take support of reservation as he thinks its unethical .. he says no to crutches and wants to fite for the general category seat..

now tell me guys will u be proud of ur friend or will u be unhappy that he is competing for ur seat .. when he has seats reserved for him..
be absolutely honest

regards
shailesh

[anu shukla]

hi there...
@ amar:must say that poem really shows that u have the hidden talent of a poet !!!must say kudos to that beautiful poetic expression....
but to be honest u shud have created a poem like

yaha rehker desh sudharungaa.....
bigdi baat banaungaa
aur desh ko jitwaungaa....
yu na haar manungaa mei ...
apne hak ka ladte jaungaa!!!!!

hooga ek savera aaisa ..

aarakshan ke mudde per
jab na koi chillaeingaa...
aur wrld ke is map per bus
tiranga hi lehrayeigaa!!!!

may nt sound as poetic( becauz i have never tried to be one) but just try to read between the liness....
"ITS EASY TO IGNORE THE PROBLEM , RATHER TAHN ERADICATE IT"

U MAY GO TO ANY OTHER PLACE(US,EUROPE...ANYEWHERE) ...WILL CERTAINLY RISE TO HEIGHTS...BUT WILL NEVER GET THAT FEEL OF INDIA ...WILL NEVER BE PEACEFUL AT HEART!!!


JUST AN EX:- IN BHARTIYE PRAVASI PROGRAM, THERE WAS A BILLIONAIRE TAHT JUST WENT INTO TEARS WHN SMBODY ASKED HIM...IS HE now HAPPY???


THE PT IS "KITNA BHI BURA HOO, ITS MY COUNTRY , & IF SMBODY IS INSULTING IT...IT IS MY INSULT TOO!!
NO MATTER HOW BIG THEY ARE...THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE MY COUNTRY PEOPLE OR FUNDS FR THEIR OWN USE!!"

have just put my views, so nthing to offend!!!!
take care
anu

[shrijit_s]

There's one question that has been bugging me for some time .. and would like to know in implicit terms .. what u guys think

suppose the quota is implemented .. and u and ur friend are writing cat . u both are comeptitiors and both are equally competent.. the only thing is ur friend is an obc .. but he doesnt want to take support of reservation as he thinks its unethical .. he says no to crutches and wants to fite for the general category seat..

now tell me guys will u be proud of ur friend or will u be unhappy that he is competing for ur seat .. when he has seats reserved for him..
be absolutely honest

regards
shailesh

In an utopian society this question wud never rise. but we are not exactly utopian...But if any of my obc frnds wud want to gain addmssn in general..I wud be proud of him...that fact is that he is putting his admission at risk for the sake of his principles..n i wud appreciate that...

Cheers

[amardeep.rishi]

hi there...
[COLOR="Sienna"]@ amar:must say that poem really shows that u have the

have just put my views, so nthing to offend!!!!
take care
anu


Hye Anu
Thanx for reply..:bump: .and trust me....that was genuine from ur side...and probably last one was fake from my side..
I don't know why....when i heard abt this confirmation todays morning..first thing came to my mind was"i don't want to live here"...felt so helpless,reminded me scene from "rang de basanti"when aamir khan just broke and said"aaj lagg raha hai meri koi aukat hi nahi hai"
Believe u me..
I never want to leave my place....but how long it will remain mine...thats the question!!

[anu shukla]

hi there
@ amar: i can understand what u r feeling rt now...but thats wat these people( govt) want us to be...so "DN'T SCUMMB TO THEM AT ANY COST"
I KNW U R BOLD ENOUGH TO FIGHT WITH THEM....BUT TRY TO WIN THE SITUATION WITH A LOGICAL MIND SO TAHT U SAVE UR PHYSICAL & EMOTIONAL STRENGTH FR MAKING THINGS BETTER AFTERWARDS...

@shailesh..
just saw ur post,gud pt indeed!!!
as fr me...i have already experienced it...i am nt against any of my friends fightin