coachin classes

[sheetal]

hi,
do u people think coachin classes are necessary for appearin for CAT?????

[kartik]

This one I must answer ... Its just my perception which i like to force on everyone

NEVER ever join coaching classes for CAT :)

Specially when you are in BMS.. Just get your hands on preparation material and study on your own terms...

[sheetal]

gr8 karthik i m also of the same opinion y is it soooooooooooooo necessary to join classes.if ur basics r clear nd if join the test series ul surely get good mks i think ????????and afteral it all depends on ur self confidence ,determination nd dedication towards it.and lots nd lots of self discipline.
by the way karthik i jus wanna ask which sem u r in.and wat r ur future plans .??????

[kartik]

You dint read my interview lagta hai ;)

http://www.jammag.com/campus/index.php?section_id=9

I jus like to brag abt my interview to everyone these days. Dont mind ;)

[kartik]

Chalo.. If u need any material for CAT leme knw. .. will pass it to u after my exams...

Cheers till then.

[gaurav200x]

i personally would favour coaching classes. I had joined TIME earlier and during the coaching, i came to know of a lot more on how to crack CAT, which i wouldn't have known otherwise. CAT requires definitive strategies, and hence i feel coaching centres are essential... However, the effort has to be put from ur side only.. and it can't be replaced by anything else!

Regards,
Gaurav

[Shrinjoy]

Coaching Class to the certain extent helps an individual or a so called "CAT Aspirant"...For me coaching classes work the same way as these forums do get hands on experience of other students..where we stand...how r we exposed to the current social political economic scenario compared to other students...Coaching Class would in a way help u to groom urself or prepare u better fr CAT n beyond like ur GDs ur PIs...some coaching classes even suggest the students wut to wear fr their PIs n stuff like tht...but CAT is jus not abt putting ur basics right...I know 100 teachers parents coaching classes will tell u abt "BASIC right hone se CAT clear hoga" but its 55% luck n 45% may b aptitude...if ur aptitude or outlook is good half the battle in won...This is where coaching classes can help u but LUCK is a factor which shud b on ur side on the D day...I hve seen ppl crying,howling in their centres...I have seen ppl studying 5 hrs a day gettin 98 %ile in their MOCK CATs but puttin a bad show in the Grand Finale...so equipp urself....wid all the blessings,luck u can get..It may help u eventually...

[A.J.]

Coaching classes are a waste of time. :aj:






















And money :aj:

[amardeep.rishi]

Well....it's both ways true...coaching classes r there to support and help in analysing the things at the time of confusion...as i did my coaching from CL south delhi lots of IIT students were there in batch so it was always a good fight in normal days too...as in class tests u came to know ur postion w.r.t(so called) one of the best brains in india..
It's encouraging and good exp......but for preparation u r the best person to motivate urself.Afterall u need to do write final exam.So test series could b answer of above but for preparation it's u and only Y O U!!

Lets prepare:yield:

[gaurav200x]

Well i rarely have joined coaching classes for anything till now, but i feel CAT is a different thing altogether. CAT needs strategy to work... u need to know how to win this game by being smart and that is pretty difficult to understand by self. i was going through the magazine which TIME gave us for August 2004 and they had written an article on 'How to crack CAT' explaining about the second-based methodology, time precision, problem solving, etc... and their explanation was damn scientific.. for it revealed how CAT paper is significantly different from university exam papers.. and needed very different appoach. i dun think this approach can be easily formulated by sitting at home...

besides, coaching classes have a fixed schedule and give u a class room environment, which make one study better on a fixed schedule basis...

[its_kul]

hi G and all
i would just like to add that i come to know about many new concepts and all related to syllabus.but from forums like this i go unlimited help which i cant put in words.

so if we have good friends then we can crack cat by self study only.
and for boost we can join any test series.

[rohit_pn]

i don thnk so tat coaching classes improves on u r aptitude ...basically u can study of u r own if u have the determination to do so , i wont say coaching classes for cat isnt good but its not the only way to crack the cat .Joining the test series is a btr option .

[gaurav200x]

Well, when u r doing self studies, u are unaware of the competition that is existing in the country... Kul, its right, that group study helps... Infact, i would advocate, coaching classes - cum - group study, for max. results. Coaching classes, merely act as catalysts. People like me, are very lazy, and we need a medium, so that we can work properly and coaching classes help us in that, Eg. i know, i must work for 2 hours daily, but at time, i must feel lazy and try to procrastinate my work... But, if i have taken coaching classes, i know, i have paid the money and i need to take the full benefit and hence, i will not want to procrastinate it. I don't say, coaching classes are a must, but, they are very helpful...
and as for aptitude, i don't say they increase any aptitude, for it is the individual's calibre, which is actually responsible, however, they do help in increasing... There is a difference in increasing and help in increasing....

[george m.d.]

hi,
do u people think coachin classes are necessary for appearin for CAT?????


yes, it is absolutely necessary

[khushg]

i feel coaching classes are necessary to learn from mistakes of others too...maybe we never concentrate on things which other ppl can...and we get chance to learn from their mistakes as well as gain quite a lot knowledge... i dont deny the fact tht finally its your effort which is going to fetch you good results but classes may help you kno where you stand among so many students... for example the SIMCAT's in IMS... i havent joined it but i feel its a nice concept... and obviously not to forget the tricks to solve problems quickly...

regards
-khushboo...

[amardeep.rishi]

Well....it's nice to consider coaching classes as a good concept but it's not at all necessary.U can get the solution of ur problems by experts who r in the business thats true but today this concept is totally commercialized.Coaching centers r there to gain profits and thats the only motive.In the class of 50-60 students it's very tough to concentrate on every student...the idea should be making small batches..emphasis should be on quality than quantity.
Coaching classes can give u the feel of competetition to some extent(as test series r more imp and necessary) and can bring the regularity that sometime everyone finds difficult to achieve.Rest preparation should b ur own as CAT is about analyses.Smartwork is more required than hardwork.
It's better to contemplate on how should prepare rather who will help to prepare!!:argue:

[kartik]

Here goes a lil analysis ...

Assuming classes fees as 20k a year for CAT .

No of days in a year 365 .

No of days classes take place in a week 3 ( mostly its tts etc ) .

No of weeks in a month = 5 .

Lecture duration = 2 hrs.

Therefore Total time you study at classes = 30 hrs .

Monthly amount you pay to classes 20,000 / 12 = 1600 .

You pay 1600 for just 30 hrs of tutoring per month.

Yep, only 30 hrs .. full of bullshit, homework discussions, and time pass .

We havent even considered the time pass that is done before the classes start and days when they leave you early.

Someone said they give you "the" environment.
Someone said they show you ways and give you direction.

I remember CAT 2005, only 90 questions for 200 mrks. Their guidance of solving this section first and in this many minutes and how to time yourself.... and 1000 strategies and short cuts that we never use ... all down the drain.

Forget about everything.. leave all responsibilities... have one lakshya to Crack CAT for just 1-2 months and you will get into IIM's.

But if you looking for environment and strategies .. and someone else's motivation ... ( naah .. i wont complete the sentence.. you guyz keep wondering abt the climax )

All these classes and tutorials for CAT are new breed of politicians man... Believe yourself.. get hold of good material and yell... IIM .. im on my way ;)

[gaurav200x]

Here goes a lil analysis ...

Assuming classes fees as 20k a year for CAT .

No of days in a year 365 .

No of days classes take place in a week 3 ( mostly its tts etc ) .

No of weeks in a month = 5 .

Lecture duration = 2 hrs.

Therefore Total time you study at classes = 30 hrs .

Monthly amount you pay to classes 20,000 / 12 = 1600 .

You pay 1600 for just 30 hrs of tutoring per month.

Yep, only 30 hrs .. full of bullshit, homework discussions, and time pass .

We havent even considered the time pass that is done before the classes start and days when they leave you early.

Someone said they give you "the" environment.
Someone said they show you ways and give you direction.

I remember CAT 2005, only 90 questions for 200 mrks. Their guidance of solving this section first and in this many minutes and how to time yourself.... and 1000 strategies and short cuts that we never use ... all down the drain.

Forget about everything.. leave all responsibilities... have one lakshya to Crack CAT for just 1-2 months and you will get into IIM's.

But if you looking for environment and strategies .. and someone else's motivation ... ( naah .. i wont complete the sentence.. you guyz keep wondering abt the climax )

All these classes and tutorials for CAT are new breed of politicians man... Believe yourself.. get hold of good material and yell... IIM .. im on my way ;) Wah wah wah!! u should seriously think of becoming a motivational speaker!! kya speech di hai... But, dude! these views can't be generalised. as i said, it all depends on the individual to extract they can from the coaching classes. What's the difference between a coaching class and school? u pay fees at both places and have a class room environment. So, u would also say that classroom would be a total waste of time too and one shouldn't even go to the class rooms too... Nah! coaching centres can be a waste, but if u find the right coaching centre and use it productively, making sure that u extract for every penny worth of education, u can surely excel. Offcourse, it is ur hard work, that ultimately counts.... but they can surely act as catalysts! Regards, Gaurav

[kartik]

Man, thats school... You dont have a choice. Its not your call. And its become a religion now... you have to go to school.... college ...etc... else you are not normal.

But thats not the case with classes . And why do classes anyway ?? Why pay when you know you will have to recover every penny ??

You already know you can get the same things done without paying.

If you are saying paying 20k gives you the motivation to study.. Man pay me 4 lakhs.. you will get soo motivated.. you will reach in harvard ;)

Seriously, think about it... WHY do people join classes ?? Just bcoz ur frnds did that doesnt mean you too have to..

I know some faculty of these coaching classes... they are themselves taking CAT all these years...trying to crack it...but evn after years.. they still in IMS and not IIMs..

Think out of the box :)

[gaurav200x]

its not just about motivation.. its not about the money either, maybe not totally, but about the benefits one can reap. In my 1st post, i clearly, said that my point of view is wrt CAT only, because the exam's nature is very peculiar and needs a definite strategy. Good institutes like TIME or IMS give u lots of study material and u have an opportuinty to study in group, which u may or may not be able to form otherwise.

The reason why i compare it with classes is, that i want to show that a classroom environment is essential. One can obtain a certificate even through correspondence courses, but it is not the same. U do not come to know of the national competition or the new strategies that u can use. They equip u with good guidance and time-tested strategies so that u can use them when time comes.

u might have seen one or two, who might be useless, but i have also gone to TIME here and i found it worth the money and hence, i don't think they're a waste. One has to gather the harvest in order to enjoy. If u don't then, there is no point in taking them. So to say, that they can try to motivate, but u need to get motivated. No body can put it in ur system, but u.

Hope my point is clear... :)

[kartik]

:aj1:

Classroom environment.. baah... Ask my friends and they would tell you what classroom environment is for ;) .

A person who wants to do something desperately will create his own environment.

For strategies..as I said... you cannot expect a pattern or foretell the test.. so classes cant teach you any. (Ref: CAT 2005 paper, 90 q's wonly)

I never paid attention in school.. classes were a hub to socialise when i was in my teens... I studied on my own terms.. what i wanted to.. when i wanted to ... and the way i wanted to ...

To sum it up ...For guyz who have a attitude like mine.. dont do classes.. experience speaks

For the rest... gaurav bhaiya will share his experiences :)

[gaurav200x]

:aj1:

Classroom environment.. baah... Ask my friends and they would tell you what classroom environment is for ;) .

A person who wants to do something desperately will create his own environment.

For strategies..as I said... you cannot expect a pattern or foretell the test.. so classes cant teach you any. (Ref: CAT 2005 paper, 90 q's wonly)

I never paid attention in school.. classes were a hub to socialise when i was in my teens... I studied on my own terms.. what i wanted to.. when i wanted to ... and the way i wanted to ...

To sum it up ...For guyz who have a attitude like mine.. dont do classes.. experience speaks

For the rest... gaurav bhaiya will share his experiences :) Mere bhai, why does ur post seem to be ur own experience and not a general overview of the scenerio..
Intelligent ppl like u might bunk classes and create ur own institutions, but that doesn't change the fact, that the lesser mortals need to study and need some guiding factor. Nowhere have i said that anything is absolutely necessary, but we are looking for an optimal solution. There are people who crack CAT without coaching classes too... but their calibre is different. They have the proper discipline to do what it takes, but for the rest of us, we need to be told and made to work. True! we r not the best, yet if we get a proper guidance, we can become the best!!

For strategies..as I said... you cannot expect a pattern or foretell the test.. so classes cant teach you any. (Ref: CAT 2005 paper, 90 q's wonly) yeah! no one for tells them... they only predicts them from their experience. They do make u prepare for the worst. It is only this is why, they are the teachers... Do u expect everyone amongst us to be Eklavya?? No siree, we are ordinary mortals, only!! <b>
I never paid attention in school.. classes were a hub to socialise when i was in my teens... I studied on my own terms.. what i wanted to.. when i wanted to ... and the way i wanted to ... To sum it up ...For guyz who have a attitude like mine.. dont do classes.. experience speaks As i said b4, u probably don't need classes, and u might be comfortable studying on ur own... but people who decide upon MBA don't even know the abc of CAT. So, how do u expect them to gather all this intricate info. If nothing at all, coaching institutes, help u to give u all bits and bytes together, give u good study material and then u can discuss them. U get to form a good group. Obviously, u may not know many people, but once u start going to classes, u will find many people close to ur intellect, who would be willing to do group studies... and this is not it. They help u prepare for gds and interviews later on. So any examination, u need a group. If u are able to form a group, then its fine... but do u think, i can form a group as such.. But when i'm going to a coaching class, this is another factor, which would be helping.. i.e. i can easily form a group among the people who would be staying near my place...

I will say again... coaching classes don't assure u a seat in IIMs.. but they do act as catalysts for u to prepare well. Its upto u whether u can reap the benefits they offer.. Regards, Gaurav

[kartik]

When d hell did this thread get transfered to d big fight section :aj1:

I thought this was a general thread and hence I was putting in my suggestions / views .. ( rather forcing my views ;) )


Anyways ... If you are generalising the whole Coaching classes thing.. then ofcourse it would differs from person to person...


Assuming you as a BMS student need classes.. I would say no.. You already have the environment.. you already know people who are appearing for CAT.. you can form study groups etc etc... and also, it wouldnt be easy to cope up with BMS + CAT .

For a person who has already done his graduation.... I would say this is a place to revive your knowledge, meet like minded people, form study groups etc.

His background, stream, education status, work status etc etc etc ...

Actually thinking about it .... I feel you cannot generalise it.. you can only share your experiences .... good or bad.. and then the individual who is going to take CAT has to decide.

[bhavin_3]

Well seems like a lots of yes nd no's for coaching Classes..!!

I believe for CAT you do need coaching classes..!! I guess i havnt done much classes till date except in 7th when i had to learn Hindi in 6 weeks and i knew nothin on it..!! All the other studies can mainly be done by oneself.. As its jst abt understanding some concept and writing the paper..

But CAT is totally a different game.. U never get enough material from where the questions could be asked. You would be having the capabilities of solving 70 questions in the paper assuming paper being 90 but never have the time to do it.. You are in competition with another 2 lac students and u knw u gotta be in the top 2000 list..!!

Coaching classes help you in providing those shortcuts with which you could solve the same question in lesser time.. I dont say u wont get that shortcut from some expert of frm sites & forums.. ( U Get everythin over here including vedic maths) but what u dont get is 20 odd other people with whom u could time yourself..!! U'll get to knw where u stand infact if some1 is betterin ur time u could learn what more tricks does he have in his bag..!!

Than again u have simcats in ims and time series in time, which gets you more analysis of hw long is the way..!!:big_grin: ( And hw many ahead ya)

I dont say that CAT is all about jst strategies there is a bit of luck involved to.. You might make strategies and solve jst limited question while u might have a partner seating besides who comes frm no prep land, knwz some question the others he jst takes risk might be right, might be wrong and bullzeye hits the score needed..!!

Competition largely motivates people if they are focussed on the goal.. and what better way to compete with fellow 15-20-25 students who have the same goal as yours..!!:big_grin:

[gaurav200x]

Alright.... so now we're talking!! True Kartik.. it depends on individual-2-individual. Something good for u may not hold for me.. But since the person opened this thread, we merely tried to show him (or was it her?:) ) the benefits of coaching classes.
anyway, the point of discussion was wrt CAT from the starting and not BMS. I guess, we have had a nice fight so far... (I feel so relaxed...;) )
Chalo lets switch over to some other thread and start the 'BIG FIGHT' dere.. :D

[themaharana]

definately not. but then u need 2 practice daily for some time with a focussed approach in order 2 clear. ( We talk such things but definately its not as easy as it appears)

[rahulchopra]

my friends i am fed up of this coaching classes , they teach u nothing just give u a direction but i am unaware of their GD and PI preprations , can anyone tell me the best way to prepare for gds ?

[ViJiT]

my friends i am fed up of this coaching classes , they teach u nothing just give u a direction but i am unaware of their GD and PI preprations , can anyone tell me the best way to prepare for gds ?



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[bips]

u just have to be consistent -classes or no classes

[pahuja.chirag]

well i will say that coaching classes do help by telling you some techniques to be used in the exam which help a lot........

[yadav_maynk]

not required at all.......they r a big waste of time and resources

[shailu744]

i think its both waste of time and money
it all depends on the person who is gonna write exam.....
compitetive exams need not be taught........they should be inbuilt or improved by self...........coaching again means mugging up things in the way of formulea....etc

[username123]

thats true but they atleast give a direction of what to do. & moreover they are running successfully. Why? coz they make people clear the exams. Even when ppl are not geniuses. its a thriving business. they whole system of examination & more importantly teaching should change.

[hardik950]

m also of the same opinion y is it soooooooooooooo necessary to join classes.if ur basics r clear nd if join the test series ul surely get good mks i think ????????and afteral it all depends on ur self confidence ,determination nd dedication towards it.and lots nd lots of self discipline.
by the way karthik i jus wanna ask which sem u r in.and wat r ur future plans .??????